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Ozibird,
Thank you so much. I am sure this is my family of Bainbridges. Seems that between 1809 and 1811 they moved from Appleby to Kirkby Stephen. I will now look to see the distance between these villages, both in Westmoreland so I guess they won't be too far apart. You are very kind and I very much appreciate all the research you have done. William certainly came from a large family and seems he named his three children after his brother John and sisters Jane and Martha.
Thank you.
Regards,
Patricia.

Results for: British Isles
Father: Isaac Bainbridge, Mother: Elizabeth
Batch Number: C055293

1. John - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 28 DEC 1800 Saint Lawrence, Appleby, Westmorland, England
2. Mary - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: JUN 1805 Saint Lawrence, Appleby, Westmorland, England
3. Jane - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 JUN 1807 Saint Lawrence, Appleby, Westmorland, England
4. Isaac - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 17 SEP 1809 Saint Lawrence, Appleby, Westmorland, England [Probably this first Isaac died.]

I'll start with his age: at that time people weren't so hung up on age. They didn't have to fill out forms with their date of birth. So there was no real reason to be accurate. It looks like John is a father-figure and probably didn't know William's true age.

Mother's maiden name: Unfortunately very few parish records record this. You're lucky if they give the mother's name at all. The way people go about it is to find all the ch'n of that couple then guestimate the marriage year, and go looking.

I'm using IGI to find the parish records of your Bainbridges.
beta.familysearch.org and http://www.familysearch.org



Now this is an interesting one as William's brother on the 1851 census was born in Appleby c1801.
Name John Bainbrigg
Gender Male
Baptism/Christening Date 28 Dec 1800
Baptism/Christening Place St. Lawrence, Appleby, Westmoreland, England
Father's Name Isaac Bainbrigg
Mother's Name Elizabeth

Ozibird,

Any mention of Isaac's wife Elizabeth's maiden name?
Patricia.

Ozibird,
Thank you so much. You guys are amazing BUT now I am really confused as to which one is my William. All those sisters but no brother John. A sister Martha sounds promising as William had a daughter Martha. The 1851 Census has a William B. abt. 1826 living with a John Bainbridge, Nailer and head of the house with William recorded as his brother. Is there any mention of Isaac's profession as a Nailer. According to the marriage certificate William was 26 at the time of his marriage in 1857 making his birth year 1831 yet the 1861 and1871 census has his birth year as 1829. Now according to the IGI he was born 1823. Any explanation?
Patricia.

Results for: British Isles
Father: Isaac Bainbridge, Mother: Elizabeth
Batch Number: C067071
1. ELIZTH BAINBRIDGE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 NOV 1811 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England
2. SARAH BAINBRIDGE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 MAY 1814 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England
3. MARTHA BAINBRIDGE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 11 AUG 1816 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England
4. SARAH BAINBRIDGE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 03 MAY 1818 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England
5. ISAAC BAINBRIDGE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 JUL 1821 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England
6. WILLIAM BAINBRIDGE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 21 SEP 1823 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England
7. RACHEL BAINBRIDGE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 29 JUL 1825 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England

I don't think these two are from the same family.
8. ANN BAINBRIDGE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 05 JUN 1858 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England
9. FRANCES BAINBRIDGE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 31 AUG 1860 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England

Patricia,

Maybe Christopher is one of the same, or surname has been mistranscribed!!

Will keep looking.

This looks like yours:

IGI Individual Record
WILLIAM BAINBRIDGE
Christening: 21 SEP 1823 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England
Parents:
Father: ISAAC BAINBRIDGE
Mother: ELIZTH

Batch info as before.


I've got to go now but will check back later.

Ozi

Ozibird,
Certainly sounds like it is my William but it is very confusing as on his Marriage Certificate it states that his father was Isaac...Nail Maker. Could that have been such a mistake? Big difference between John and Isaac.
Patricia.

I've looked and looked for him over the last couple of days with no luck. Some possibilities but no definites. I'll check again.

Ozi

Oh well, not the same parents as listed on Christophers death record.

Ozibird, can you find Christopher C Prest on the 1841 Census?

Isn't this him? Nailer's App. John is a Nailer.

1841 England Census
Name: Wm Bainbury [Wm Bainbridge]
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Westmorland, England
Civil Parish: Kirkby Stephen
Hundred: East
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: East Ward
Sub-registration district: Kirkby Stephen
Household Members: Name Age
John Bainbury 40
Judeth Bainbury 40 - not born in county
William G Bainbury 41 [Image is 14]
John Bainbury 11
Isaac Bainbury 8
Elizabeth Bainbury 6
Wm Bainbury 15
Lodging with them is Martha Thiry abt 1767 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland [image could be Story] - not born in county.



IGI Individual Record
JOHN BAINBRIDGE
Marriages:
Spouse: JUDITH STORY
Marriage: 24 JAN 1826 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: M067071
Dates: 1746 - 1837, 1837 - 1861


IGI Individual Record
WILLIAM GEORGE BAINBRIDGE
Christening: 23 APR 1827 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England
Parents:
Father: JOHN BAINBRIDGE
Mother: JUDAH [I bet this is Judith]
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: C067071
Dates: 1746 - 1767, 1768 - 1813, 1813 - 1843, 1844 - 1861

Results for: British Isles
Father: John Bainbridge, Mother: Judith
Batch Number: C067071
1. ELIZABETH BAINBRIDGE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 OCT 1834 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England
2. JOHN BAINBRIDGE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 OCT 1829 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England
3. ISAAC BAINBRIDGE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 AUG 1832 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England

Updated: I believe the christening record is for John & Judith's eldest son William George. Your William is listed after the children on the census. It looks like your William is a very much younger brother. Perhaps a second marriage for Isaac.

Mel75,
William Bainbridge's father as far as I know was Isaac. I have no idea who his mother was. William's marriage certificate states that his father was Isaac..Nail Maker. William married Elizabeth Hill in the Ripon Cathedral Nov 23 1857. The 1851 Census has him living with his brother, John Bainbridge, Nailer and his nephew Isaac and niece Elizabeth. I haven't had any success finding him on the 1841 census.
The 1861 census has him living in Harrogate with Elizabeth, Jane and John...Here he is listed as..Coachman.
Patricia.

Patricia,

Maybe someone with access to the 1841 Census can tell you who William was living with, hopefully it will tell you who his parents were.

Sylvia, I am just getting used to how these Thread postings work. Thank you for your input. Yes you found the Bainbridge family in the 1871 census. I thought that maybe Elizabeth ran off with Christopher Prest but not having found William on any further census records or in any death records have also thought that William and Christopher is one in the same but do not know how to prove it. Wouldn't William have had to have some ID before travelling and why would he have changed his name and not the names of the rest of the family? He must have committed some terrible crime to have gone to such lengths. What are your thoughts on this.
Patricia.

The other wild possibility ......... and I HAVE come across this before



is that WIlliam Bainbridge became Christopher Prest for some reason .....

That they emigrated under that name,


and then possibly reverted back to Bainbridge after Elizabeth's death




sylvia

so as a recap, and to help me get my head around the family.

Is this the 1871 census for the Bainbridges?

1871 Census

Name: Elizabeth Bainbridge
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William Bainbridge
Gender: Female
Where born: Swinton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Northowram
Ecclesiastical parish: Coley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Northowram

William Bainbridge 42 b.ca 1829, Nystephen, Westmorland, Coachman & Domestic Servant
Elizabeth Bainbridge 32
Jane Bainbridge 13 b.ca 1858, Harest Moor, Knasborough, Yorkshire, Winder at Worsted Manufactury
John Bainbridge 11 b.ca 1860, Harest Moor, Bobbin Setter at Worsted Manufactury
Martha Bainbridge 7 b.ca 1864, Maningham Bradford, Yorkshire, Scholar

Address:- Quarry House Cottage




THIS Christopher Prest is on the 1871 census ....... with a wife called Elizabeth?? And he's a Groom


1871 Census

Name: Christopher Prest
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Prest
Gender: Male
Where born: Azerley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Azerley
Ecclesiastical parish: Kirkby Malzeard
Town: Galphay
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Ripon
Sub-registration district: Kirkby Malzeard

Christopher Prest 46 Coachman & Groom
Elizabeth Prest 42 b.ca 1829, Ashill, Norfolk

Address:- Galphay (??sp) Village


NAH .... rule him out .... they're still there in 1891





I'm wondering if Elizabeth just left William, and moved in with Christopher?


Dvivorce was practically impossible in those days for most people.



sylvia

Thank you for all that info. I did have most of it. Do you have a connection to Martha or James? I appreciate your sharing with me.
Regards,
Patricia.

Any connection would be great. Christopher was 36 when he came out to Australia in 1875 (I got the date wrong on orig. posting). Elizabeth 36, Jane 17, John 16 Martha 13 came with him under the name of Prest. Elizabeth was previously married to William Bainbridge and the three children belong to him, all born in Yorkshire. Elizabeth died soon after arriving and Christopher certified on her death certificate that he was her husband of 7 years, his profession being a Groom and that they had been married at Ripon. If Christopher married Elizabeth 7 years prior to her death that would have been in 1869 but 1871 cencus places William, Elizabeth, John and Martha all living in Quarry Cottage, Northowram,Yorkshire, Wm's profession being Groom. I can find no record of William's death and no record of C&E's marriage. Wm and Elizabeth were married at Ripon. This is a mystery family. I have no idea where Christopher went after Elizabeth's death. Martha kept the name Prest but Jane and John reverted to Bainbridge.
Any news of a connection to Christopher Prest or the death of William Bainbridge would be a help.

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