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My grandfathers death cert says he was born 1900 marriage says 1900 but he was born in 1897 so you just dont know

jax

Harold Roberts died aged about 34 whilst serving in France I believe

Could this be their marriage as you mentioned a family story about McLean.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1925
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LONG Daniel P MCLEAN Mary E Salford Register Office or Registrar Attended Salford SAL/156/147

same details from Free BMD

Marriages Dec 1925 (>99%)

Long Daniel P McLean Salford 8d 682
McLean Mary E Long Salford 8d 682

Christine

Looks about right Christine,nice one
There are 5 births in Salford around that time to long mum nee Farrell
Maryb

Oh my, Christine 1925? No wonder I couldn't find a marriage! They had a number of children between Jane and 1930, my mother being one in 1927!
Ok, so now I need to send for this marriage cert in 1925, presumably Mary Ellen is called McLean on this and is a widow.
Then, I still need to know which name Jane was registered under in 1914.
Then I need to check for a Farrell/McLean marriage?

I haven't been able to find a Farrell/McLean marriage.

At least they were married by the time your mother was born,lol.

Christine.

Yes, I can rest easily now as a good Catholic girl! Lol.
If McLean was Scottish or Irish and the marriage wasn't in England, would the details be on BMD?

Only England and Wales marriages are on the indexes.

Scotlands people for Scottish BMD's.

Christine

Anybody found Mary Ellen Farrell born 1891 on 1911 census??

Maryb

There are some McLean/ Farrell births between 1913/1919 in Salford.

Christine

There are quite a few Long/Farrell births after 1926 but not one in 1927

do you use Freebmd?

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

jax

Hi Jax,
I've just looked on BMD for my mother's birth in 1927 (Jane's sister) and Farrell is incorrectly spelt as Farrill.

The one in 1927 is Farrill.

Christine

Just wondering then if Jane was incorrectly registered under Farrill. I can't find anything for her using the correct date of birth given earlier under Farrell or Long.

I did think that could be the case but was just checking

jax

Robert Mclean married A/M/J 8d 173 1911 in Salford Lancs on same page is Mary E Jones.

Mary Ellen Farrell married J/A/S 1909 Chorlton Lancs 8c 1525 on same page is Charles William Jones.

What do you think ladies?

Maryb

Well ladies,
Many thanks for all your help. That let a skeleton out of the cupboard didn't it? How wonderful!
I'm going to send off for Jane's death certifcate now which should give me her birth name and someone has already established her date of birth so I presume I can get the birth certificate with that info.
Next, I shall send for Mary Ellen's marriage certificate and delve deeper into her interesting past!
Once again,
Thank you x

I thought it was a possibility seeing as we can't find her in 1911.

Although I have been checking births for Farrell/Jones in that time span and there were Charles W Jones 1912 nee Farrell, maybe named after his dad and twins Doris and Elsie Jones nee farrell 1913.

If Mary Ellen and Mr Mclean had child Patrick Mclean nee farrell 1913 it seems that the Mary Ellen who married Charles William Jones is not our Mary ellen afteral.


Not trying to confuse you,just trying to make sense of why we can't find Mclean/Farrell marriage.

Maryb.

Me thinks I need my tea,curry house shortly.

Sorry Mary, but the chain breaks:

Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
Jones Mary E Salford 8d 173
Lee Israel Salford 8d 173
McLean Robert Salford 8d 173
Peacock Annie Salford 8d 173

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1911
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
JONES Mary E LEE Israel Salford St Stephen Salford C32/5/146

The death cert will not give her birth name marriage cert should though

jax