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thank you all very very much!!! Just read all this and am very confused! The Dec 1856 date of death for William fits as he was deceased at the time of George & Elizabeths marriage in 1851.She later married her lodger, as did her dad, marry his lodger I mean!

Who William married I haven't figured out.

Once again thanks for your help

Julie

They might not Ginny,

I will see what I can find.............

Dea x

Oh gawd Dea...how do they fit the jigsaw!

They must fit somewhere ;)

Strange you should mention the name Stone Ginny as I had put this to one side for the 1841?

1841 England Census
about William Terry Name: William Terry
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Arnold
Hundred: Broxtow (North Division)
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Arnold
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Terry 40 F.W.( Knitter or Throttler)
Fanny Terry 35
Richard Terry 4
William Terry 2
Grace Stone 35
Sarah Stone 6
Joseph Stone 9 Wks


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 855; Book: 2; Civil Parish: Arnold; County: Nottinghamshire; Enumeration District: 2; Folio: 27; Page: 4; Line: 15; GSU roll: 438903.

Dea x

Elizabeths parents marriage





MICHAEL STONE Pedigree

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Marriages:
Spouse: ANN MYCOCK Family
Marriage: 23 FEB 1825 Bakewell, Derby, England










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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M049631 1813 - 1837 0497379 Film 6900058 Film
Sheet: 00

Here we go


ELIZABETH STONE Pedigree
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Birth:
Christening: 15 AUG 1830 Taddington, Derby, England


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Parents:
Father: MICHEL STONE
Mother: ANN


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Source Information:
Batch Number: 7403510
Sheet: 09
Source Call No.: 0934337 Type: Film

And Elizabeths step fathers death


Deaths Sep 1860 (>99%)
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Brentley Robert Bakewell 7b 311


Grrrr...He didnt make it to the 1861 census!

Good find Dea....just might be



And I bet this is Elizabeth Brentley.

1841 England Census
about Robert Brentley
Name: Robert Brentley
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1784
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: Bakewell
Hundred: High Peake
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England


Registration district: Bakewell
Sub-registration district: Bakewell
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Brentley 57 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Ann Stone 49
Sarah Stone 12
Elizabeth Stone 9 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Melicent Stone 7
Ellen Stone 5


1851 England Census
about Robert Brentley
Name: Robert Brentley
Age: 65
Estimated birth year: abt 1786
Relation: Lodger <<<<Indeed!
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Tideswell
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England


Registration district: Bakewell
Sub-registration district: Matlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 19b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Stone 58 <<Married
John Stone 24
Elizabeth Stone 19 <<<<<<<<<<<<
Amelia Stone 17
Ellen Stone 15
Robert Brentley 65 <<<<<<<<<<<<<Widowed
Catherine Brammell 65
Ruth Brammell 27


So it looks like Elizabeth was born Stone and her mother took up with Robert Brentley

Well, this would be William in 1851?

1851 England Census
about Willm Terry Name: Willm Terry
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1802
Relation: Prisoner
Gender: Male
Where born: Basford, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Derby St Werburgh
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Derby
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England


Registration district: Derby
Sub-registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: County and Borough Gaol for Derby ****
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1

Occupation was Frame Work Knitter.

Dea x

This could 'possibly' be 'your George' on 1841 but it doesn't help as he is working as a servant:

1841 England Census
about George Terry Name: George Terry
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: Swinford
Hundred: Guthlaxton
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Lutterworth
Sub-registration district: Lutterworth
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Moreton 40
Lydia Moreton 25
Mary Moreton 10
William Moreton 20
John Moreton 14
Job Moreton 6
John Moreton 35
Mary Moreton 25
Thomas Butter 20
George Terry 15 ****** (NOT born in Leicestershire)


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 599; Book: 10; Civil Parish: Swinford; County: Leicestershire; Enumeration District: 25; Folio: 8; Page: 11; Line: 23; GSU roll: 438747.

Dea x

Naughty Willy ;)



Marriages Sep 1849 (>99%)
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Bowman Ebenezer Bakewell 19 383
Marsden Hannah Bakewell 19 383
Swindell Martha Bakewell 19 383
Terry William Bakewell 19 383

So this might explain why William is not with Jane on the 1851 census

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
about William Terry
Name: William Terry
Date of Trial: 13 Mar 1851
Trial Year: 1851
Location of Trial: Derbyshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment<<<3 months
Crime: Bigamy



The 1851 census was taken on the 31st March when William will have been in prison

Ah ha....this looks like Williams death




Deaths Dec 1856 (>99%)
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Terry William Bakewell 7b 299

So who is the father of Allen...unless that death I posted for William is incorrect, which of course it is looking like it is


Births Mar 1850 (>99%)
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Terry Allen Bakewell 19 409

And that census that Andrew posted....it says Jane is 'married' not widowed.

Also Allen is down as 1 year old and his 'father' William died 3 years before his birth....hmmmmmm

1851 England Census
about Jane Terry
Name: Jane Terry
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheldon, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Tideswell
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Registration district: Bakewell
Sub-registration district: Matlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 19a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Terry 33 <<<<<<<<<Married
Mary Terry 17
Samuel Terry 8
Allen Terry 1 <<<<<<<<<

Ive deleted this death as it was the wrong one

Hang on...this looks like the parents you say are George's. But Jane is born abt 1821 and William abt 1811 making them far too young to be Georges parents!

1841 England Census
about Jane Tery
Name: Jane Tery
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Tideswell
Hundred: High Peake
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England


Registration district: Bakewell
Sub-registration district: Tideswell
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Tery 20

William Tery 30 abt 1811 <<Framework Knitter
Mary Tery 7 abt 1834
Joseph Tery

Deaths Sep 1858 (>99%)
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Terry George Bakewell 7b 352



Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%)
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SELLERS Edward Bakewell 7b 1126
Terry Elizabeth Bakewell 7b 1126



So George died in 1858 just after the birth of his son George jr. Mother remarried Edward Sellers

There is still no sign of George sr on any census records?

Remember ages are rounded down in 1841 census and even then some seem to have been guessed at, so not maybe to accurate! And sorry, still can't find George

Andy

Hi Andy

It could be, no sign of George yet!. I know that William was a framework knitter and a fair few came from Litton. But he would only be 15 when george was born?

Julie