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Thanks, Densirl, luckily Dea put you on the right track. I was leading you up the garden path!


Ozi

Thankyou Ozi bird ,and thankyou very much dea ,just got in and not such a bad day today,thankgoodness,now going to print it all off and try and get my head round it ,and thankyou for being patient with me ,will get back to you if i get stuck ,thankyou once again shirl x

You are very welcome Densirl.

DO get back to us if you need any more help (I promise not to get 'stroppy' with you next time).

Dea x

Hi Dea ,Is there any way of finding out about Joseph and Elizas and William Brown and Sarah Meads parents and siblings ,also Edward and Emmas {Brown} siblings who they were married to ? Just thought i would ask as you have been so helpfull to me .

I will go and have a look !!

Might take a while as I will have to dig out my notes and will be cooking tea soon but I will come back asap.

Dea x

No panic .thanks xx

For a start, this is William + Sarah on 1851:

1851 England Census
about William Brown Name: William Brown
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah Brown
Gender: Male
Where born: Penton, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Ealing
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: Uxbridge Rd

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 112
Household Members: Name Age
William Brown 34 Gardner
Sarah Brown 38
William G Brown 3
Adelaide S Brown 1 MO
Mary Ann Swan 17 Niece ***
Ruth Lavinia Berton 30 lodger (former school teacher)

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1699; Folio: 166; Page: 25; GSU roll: 193607.
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Following the niece, Mary Ann Swan, this leads us to a Sarah Meads on 1841:

1841 England Census
about Mary Swan Name: Mary Swan
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Ealing
Hundred: Ossulstone (Kensington Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Swan 30 .........Beer Shop keeper - Royal Oak, Uxbridge Rd.
Adelaid Swan 30
Mary Swan 4
Sarah Swan 2
Sarah Meads 18 ******


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 689; Book: 9; Civil Parish: Ealing; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 13; Folio: 7; Page: 8; Line: 7; GSU roll: 438805.

Will look further after tea!

Dea x

Probable marriage for Thomas + Adelaide:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Thomas Swan Name: Thomas Swan
Spouse Name: Adela Meads
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 29 Nov 1829
Parish: St Mary, Hanwell
County: Middlesex
Borough: Ealing

Witnesses William Adams + Parish Clerk.

Sarah is therefore Adelaide's sister - this should make them easier to find.

Laters!!!

Dea x

P.S. - There is a 10 year age gap on Sarah though - needs more work !!!

Will come back to you.

Dea x

Thankyou dea ,your so good ,what would i do without you

Will work on it again in the morning - nite nite,

Dea x

nite nite god bless

Right then, so we have a 10 year age difference somewhere amiss for Sarah Meads???

She is 18 and unmarried on 1841.

The 1851 shows her married to William but she is 38! - I have looked again and it does say 38, However, I believe this could well be an error as on the 1861, still with William, she is 39 !

Sarah's marriage cert to William Brown would give you details of both parents, probably their ages, and more useful info:

This looks like it:

Marriages Dec 1844

BAKER Henry Kensington 3 217
***BEADS Sarah Kensington 3 217
***BROWN William Kensington 3 217
CHOICE Bridget Kensington 3 217
CUMMINGS Johanna Kensington 3 217
HARRIS Joseph Kensington 3 217
Hillyar Henry Kensington 3 217
Hillyer Henry Kensington 3 217
***MEADS Sarah Kensington 3 217
WALTON Louisa Kensington 3 217

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Looking for her parents, I find:

Very probably Adelaide's parents (therefore parents also of Sarah??)

1841 England Census
about Mary Meads Name: Mary Meads
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Female

Civil Parish: Ealing
Hundred: Ossulstone (Kensington Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:...........Uxbridge Rd. South

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Meads 50 Ag Lab.
Mary Meads 50 .....................Not born in Middlesex
Thomas Swan 8 *******


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 689; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Ealing; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 11; Folio: 17; Page: 31; Line: 3; GSU roll: 438805.

NOTE: They have with them a Thomas Swan who is most probably their grandson, son of Thomas + Adelaide??

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I also find, living in the same area a 'Possible' brother for Adelaide + Sarah??

1841 England Census
about William Meads Name: William Meads
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Ealing
Hundred: Ossulstone (Kensington Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Stapleton 65
William Meads 20
Allen Hornce 35
David Gilder 19

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 689; Book: 6; Civil Parish: Ealing; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 7; Folio: 18; Page: 33; Line: 17; GSU roll: 438805.
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Trying to find and connect the 3 children - Adelaide, William and Sarah to George + Mary, I find 2 Baptisms:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Sarah Meads Name: Sarah Meads
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1822
Baptism Date: 16 Jun 1822
Father's name: George Meads ...Labourer
Mother's name: Mary Meads
Parish or Poor Law Union: West Twyford
Borough: Ealing
Birth: 28th May, 1822

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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about William Meads Name: William Meads
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1819
Baptism Date: 24 Oct 1819
Father's name: George Meads .... Labourer
Mother's name: Mary Meads
Parish or Poor Law Union: West Twyford
Borough: Ealing
Born 5th October, 1819

Unfortunately, these Baptism records only start at 1813 - Adelaide was born prior to that date !!

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We now have a very good match for a possible marriage of George and Mary?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about George Meads Name: George Meads
Spouse Name: Mary Adams
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 02 Nov 1807
Parish: St Mary, Church Road, Hanwell
County: Middlesex
Borough: Ealing

If you remember, when Adelaide married Thomas, the witness was William ADAMS, so it looks good to connect!

Of course, you would need a few certs to prove all this.

What do you think?

Dea x

By gosh Dea you have been busy,i wish i had your gift.i have got sons and grandchildren arriving shortly,so i might not be able to get on here for a while,but will get back to you when i get chance ,thankyou for all your hard work ,shirl x

You are welcome.

I have to cook lunch now too but will try to take another look this afternoon.

Dea x

Just like to say once again dea thankyou for all your work ,been trying to sort out other things on here to night ,distant cousin trying to get in contact with cousin {my cousin} but not getting a reply ,bit urgent ,so bit stuck .anyway have printed off what you gave me yesterday ,fingers crossed and toes will be able 2 look at it 2 morrow ,need more hours during the day i think ,nite nite

Not to worry,

Hope you have the family problem sorted now.

I had a 'busy one' on Sunday too and 'grandson day' today.

Will speak soon.

Dea x

HI Dea ,still no reply from my cousin ,so not sorted ,cant do any more.At last sorted all your info out you gave me and its great,THANKYOU .Please ,pretty please ,now trying to find out info on Joseph and eliza Brown and William Bown who was married to Sarah Meads {know about sarah}Find it funny that William Meads livid in a house with all those different people? Can you tell me what poor law union is ? No panic to reply ,just letting you know i am following every thing up you gave me Nite nite xx

Still trying to find siblings of my grandmother Eliza Sarah Brown b1875 married to John Collett b 1870 m1896 in Brentford middlesex

Still trying to find info on my grandmothers siblings Eliza Brown b 1875 maried John Collett b 1870 m 1896 in brentford middlesex

1901 England Census


Name: Eliza Catlett [Eliza Brown]
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John Catlett
Mother's name: Emma E Brown
Gender: Female
Where born: Brentford, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Brentford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Brentford
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 10 Lalesworth Rd (Could be Laleword or other combination.)

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
Household Members: Name Age
John Catlett 37 - General labourer
Eliza Catlett 24
John Catlett 4
Albert Callett 2
Emma E Brown 44 - Laundress
Edward Brown 22 - Carman
William E Brown 11