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Yes 1881Rachel was with her auntie Mary Fenna, see the census I put on page 1 aged 2 years.

on the next census 1891 thats the one with the bad spelling Kimmer, Alice has married John Rimmer and she is then living with her mum and is called Rachel Rimmer, see page 1.

This was normal practice when mothers married to change their young children,s surnames

Please don,t delete this thread like you did with the others, or people will get cross repeating their research.

Wasnt Alice;s sister Mary a Fenna ????

When Alice married Rimmer Rachel's name became Rimmer but when she married she used her birth name Hodge.

Edited, been a long night!

T x

Thanks all
But i still dont understand where the name Rimmer comes from

Just found this
The difference between a "base child of" and "illegitimte" according to Ancestry.co.uk is that "base" is the child of a single woman and "illegitimate" is a child born to an unmarried couple.

I did ask why you had decided against the Hodge Pye marriage you were given on the other thread .at the beginning of this one ?

Sory Vait, i just beat you to that one...

Jayne i edited...all the details matched, except the date which i managed to miss... 1822 !!


T x

Thanks very much

What do you mean by another base child??? thanks

Solved it......

Rachel was Alice's child.



RACHEL HODGE
Birth:
Christening:
06 APR 1879 Aughton By Ormskirk, Lancashire, England

Parents:
Mother: ALICE HODGE

therefore she would have been Mary's niece and would have gone by the name Rimmer. She married with the name Hodge as this was on her birth certificate.
Don't know if Mr Rimmer was her dad.

edited

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Baptisms: 6 Apr 1879 St Michael, Aughton, Lancashire, England
Rachel Hodge - Child of Alice Hodge
Abode: Aughton
Baptised by: W.Bamford
Register: Baptisms 1876 - 1900, Page 15, Entry 120
Source: LDS Film 1657556


Tracey xx

I think this marriage shows that Rachel was a Hodge.
Marriages Jun 1880
Fenna Arthur Ormskirk 8b 1022
Hodge Mary Ormskirk 8b 1022

On the 1881 census Rachel is 2 and down as Arthur's niece.
Therefore Mary was Rachel's sister.

snap i was thinking along those lines .

but if she was born Hodge wouldn't she have been married as a Rimmer.

Maybe Alice and Rachel were sisters.
Family members could possibley be remembering the name Rimmer.

wtg ValT lol

could Rachel Rimmer actually have been born Rachel Hodge ?


Births Jun 1879 (>99%)
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Hodge Rachel Ormskirk 8b 737



Marriages Mar 1885 (>99%)
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Clark William Liverpool 8b 208
>>>>>Hodge Alice Liverpool 8b 208
>>>>>Rimmer John Liverpool 8b 208
Thomas Sarah Liverpool 8b



Marriages Jun 1898 (>99%)
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BARNES Edward Prescot 8b 1115
CHIDLOW Alice Prescot 8b 1115
>>>>>HODGE Rachel Prescot 8b 1115
>>>>>Pye Thomas Prescot 8b 1115



1911 census -

PYE, Thomas Head Married M 40 1871 Coal Miner Hewer Bickerstaffe Lanc VIEW
PYE, Rachel Wife Married
13 years F 35 1876 Aughton Lanc VIEW
PYE, Jane Daughter F 12 1899 Rainford Lanc VIEW
PYE, Mary Daughter F 11 1900 Abram Lanc VIEW
PYE, Thomas Son M 9 1902 Abram Lanc VIEW
PYE, Alice Daughter F 8 1903 Abram Lanc VIEW
PYE, Fred Son M 6 1905 Abram Lanc VIEW
PYE, Ellen Daughter F 3 1908 Abram Lanc VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
23016 Reference:
RG14PN23016 RG78PN1346 RD458 SD4 ED1 SN125

Registration District:
Wigan Sub District:
Hindley Enumeration District:
1 Parish:
Abram

Address:
26 Cross St Bamfurlong Near Wigan County:
Lancashire

I am thinking that.

you could buy one of the children's birth certificates and that will give you the maiden name of Rachel.

Thank you

Are you saying Rachel's maiden name could be Hodge not Rimmer Thanks