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I typed in Margaret Luckman on Google and lo and behold up came Ancestry `surnames and meanings of`...and there was Hugh Crummlay and Margaret Luckman`s marraige mentioned under the name of Crummlay!!
Like you all I cannot find Mary Ellen,Margaret or Robert Addison on the 1891...the only Margaret and Robert I can find are in the wrong area..there is a death of a robert Addison born 1827 in Chorlton 1894 and the one on the census in 1891 is born abt 1827 but wrong area...
Will keep on looking and thanks once again...x

Can't find Robert and Margaret in 1891. Two possible deaths for Margaret, one in Blackburn and one in Bolton.

Oh well done Potty,that seals it then on the name change from Crummey to Crumby !

Not that Im finding them on 1891 still.

Found a second marriage for Margaret!

freebmd:
Marriages Jun 1886 (>99%)

ADDISON Robert Chorlton 8c 819
Crumby Margaret Chorlton 8c 819

Lancashire BMD - different spelling of Crumby:

ADDISON Robert CRUMLEY Margaret Manchester, Ardwick, St. Silas Manchester 20/2/395
ADDISON Robert LUCKMAN Margaret Manchester, Ardwick, St. Silas Manchester 20/2/395
CRUMLEY Margaret ADDISON Robert Manchester, Ardwick, St. Silas Manchester 20/2/395
LUCKMAN Margaret ADDISON Robert Manchester, Ardwick, St. Silas Manchester 20/2/395

Success board is that way...;)

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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!
I cant believe you have all found this out!!!.I am crying my eyes out here...I have poured over the census`s and seen other Crumbys but couldnt tie them in...have just told mum and hubby I am having a bit of time out so I can get it all in my head.....so Ireland did come into it after all..I had even gone off looking at names beginning with K and all sorts was coming up...

Oh thank you,thank you..Teresa,Potty,Fannybygaslight....xxxxxxxxxxxx

You have put a lot of work in Potty,so credit goes to you too...
We havent proved it beyond all doubt,but I thinks we have a 99% chance of it being this family and birth for her as it all fits especially with John Edward marrying as Crumby !
Births of all Hugh and Margarets children from 1871 and 1881.

Births Dec 1862
CRUMMY Daniel Manchester 8d 110
Births Sep 1864
CRUMMEY John Edward Manchester 8d 134
Births Mar 1868
Crummey James Manchester 8d 189
Births Dec 1872
Crummey Mary Ellen Manchester 8d 174

Been searching a poss remarriage or Death for Margaret Crummey/Crumby between 1881 and 1891 but so far nothing.

Thanks Potty

Teresa

Don't think that is her, T. That one is on 1871 and 1881 and there is a birth for her in Chorley.

1891 Possible? - she is keeping herself well hidden!

1891 England Census
about Mary Ellen Cramer
Name: Mary Ellen Cramer
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Chorley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Chorley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Chorley
Sub-registration district: Chorley
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Riley 38
Ann Riley 14
John Riley 9
Mary Ellen Cramer 20

Teresa

1891 JOhn Edward


1901 England Census
about John Edward Crumby
Name: John Edward Crumby
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza Crumby
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Failsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Prestwich
Sub-registration district: Failsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 78
Household Members:
Name Age
John Edward Crumby 36
Eliza Crumby 32
Emily Crumby 12
James Crumby 10
Cecelia Crumby 8
Hugh Crumby 7
John Edward Crumby 4

Teresa

I think you have cracked it, T and FBG. If only we could find Mary Ellen in 1891!

Looks as if he married as Crumby:

Marriages Dec 1889 (>99%)
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BOOT Eliza Manchester 8d 446
Crumby John Edward Manchester 8d 446
Fleming Rose Manchester 8d 446
O'Garra John Manchester 8d 446

Good find on that Hugh Crummey death T.
In the right area of Prestwich where Mary Ellen married too,as they are on 1881 census.
Cant find a one of the others on 1891,can you?

Oooooo Potty,a different Mary Ellen as the one you found is born Ireland and 10 yrs earlier!

Might we be getting there??/Dare to hope?

John Crummey in 1891?

CRUMBY, John Ed Head Married M 27 1864 General Labourer
Manchester
CRUMBY, Eliza Wife Married F 23 1868
Manchester
CRUMBY, Emily Daughter F 2 1889
Manchester
CRUMBY, James Son M 0 (5M) 1891
Manchester

Registration District:
Manchester Sub District:
Central Enumeration District:
20 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Andrew

Civil Parish:
Manchester Municipal Borough:
Manchester Address:
9, Dryden Street, Manchester County:
Lancashire


Births Sep 1864
CRUMMEY John Edward Manchester 8d 134


No birth of a John Edward CRUMBY to match.

The Mary Ellen from the marriage FBG found?

1891 England Census
about Mary Ellen Cunningham
Name: Mary Ellen Cunningham
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Henry Cunningham
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Stranton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: West Hartlepool
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hartlepool
Sub-registration district: Hartlepool
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Cunningham 30
Mary Ellen Cunningham 28
John McCann 30
Elizabeth Crummey 19

This is 1861 for Margaret Luckman as per the above marriage to Crummay Hugh in 1861 - born in GALWAY


1861 England Census
about Margaret Luckman
Name: Margaret Luckman
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Denis Luckman
Mother's name: Mary Luckman
Gender: Female
Where born: Co Galway, Ireland

Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 166
Household Members:
Name Age
Denis Luckman 53
Mary Luckman 50
Pat Luckman 25
Kate Luckman 23
Ann Luckman 21
Maria Luckman 19
Margaret Luckman 17
Ann Smith 24
Margaret McCulan 27
James McCulan 5
William McCulan 2
John Pigett 50


Teresa

Looks like this could be a mistranscription - a bad one at that!!


1861 England Census
about Hugh Clummey
Name: Hugh Clummey
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Son
Spouse's name: Eliza Clummey
Mother's name: Elizabeth Brannon
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 529
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Brannon 69
Ann Brannon 13
Elizabeth Donatty 66
Hugh Clummey 15
Eliza Clummey 17

Teresa

Fanny perhaps this could be the marriage for them?

Marriages Dec 1861 (>99%)
Crummay Hugh Manchester 8d 223
Luckman Margaret Manchester 8d 223
Mather Isaac Manchester 8d 223
Waddington Mary Manchester 8d 223


and perhaps the death?


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
Name: Hugh Crummey
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 40
District: Prestwich
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 305

Teresa

Using that spelling that Teresa has,this pops up as well?

1881
Name: Mary E. Crummey
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Margaret Crummey
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Bradford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 5 Parker Square
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Prestwich
Sub-registration district: Newton
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Crummey 37
James Crummey 14
John E. Crummey 16
Mary E. Crummey 8

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Name: Margaret Crummey
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Galway, Ireland
Civil Parish: Bradford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 5 Parker Square
Condition as to marriage: Windower

OH MY ..!
Teresa.

1871

.1871 England Census about James Crummey
Name: James Crummey
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's name: Hugh Crummey<<<Born Ireland...Engineer.
Mother's name: Margaret Crummey
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester
Civil Parish: St Philip
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Household schedule number: 233
Household Members:
Name Age
Hugh Crummey 34
Margaret Crummey 24
Daniel Crummey 8
John E Crummey 7
James Crummey 3


Births Dec 1872
Crummey Mary Ellen Manchester 8d 174

Could it be??

Maybe this is that one?

Marriages Mar 1890
CRUMMEY Mary Ellen S. Shields 10a 1028
Cunningham Henry S. Shields 10a 1028
WILSON John William S. Shields 10a 1028

Not sure if this is any help

Name: Ellen Crummey
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 11 Jul 1872
Birthplace: DUMBARTON,DUNBARTON,SCOTLAND
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Hugh Crummey
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Catherine Duffy
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11496-3
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
Source Film Number: 6035516
Reference Number:
Collection: Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950


They also had the following children:

MARJORY CRUMEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 25 JAN 1869 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
JOHN CRUMEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 08 OCT 1864 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
BRIDGET CRUMEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 11 JUN 1870 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
CATHERINE CRUMEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 27 FEB 1866 Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland


Teresa