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I am trying to find out what happened to William Tipping. He was my husband's great grandfather. I know for sure that his parents were John Tipping and Ellen Layton. In 1861 & 1871 census his birth is given as 1853 in Allerton, Liverpool - he's living with his parents and siblings. In searching for his birth I only found one for a William Tippin in W. Derby, 1852, and another for Topping in Liverpool, 1854. I'm checking these out to see if parents match up. William married Mary Jenion in 1874 but I couldn't find him in 1881 census. I checked for Mary in 1881 and found her shown as widow lodging in Greenwood St. with a Heaton family and her son, John Henry Tipping. I then looked for a death for William but none of the deaths matched up.
Now this is where it gets strange. I searched for births for their two children, Elizabeth Ellen Tipping (1875) and John Henry Tipping but the only one I could find was for John was a John Henry Houghton Tipping, mother shown as Mary but no father shown??? John Henry was born in 1877 and I'm now wondering if perhaps Mary had him with another man and after this her and William split up and she just said she just told people she was a widow. She re-married in 1885 - could she do this if she was still actually married to William. Am I grasping at straws here?

To answer the last point..............yes, she could, if she lied.

Thanks Flick. I wondered because in the 1901 census there's a William Tipping, right age, shown in a lodging house in Liverpool.

Definately.

My gt gt grandmother remarried under her maiden name and gave her status as spinster ( she'd been married 20 years)
Her son was one of the witnesses !!

Thanks Mike, I've looked at this over and over and this is the only solution I can come up with. How do I prove it though?

1881

William K. TIPPING Head M Male 39 Liscard, Cheshire, England Boilermaker
Mary TIPPING Wife M Female 35 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Robert TIPPING Son U Male 13 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
William R. TIPPING Son U Male 9 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
Mary TIPPING Daur U Female 7 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
Emma TIPPING Daur U Female 3 Liverpool, Lancashire, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 3 H 10 Ct Bevington St
Census Place Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341861
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3596 / 40
Page Number 13

1881

Richard TIPPING Head M Male 48 West Derby, Lancashire, England Cooper
Ellen TIPPING Wife M Female 43 Tarbock, Lancashire, England Wife
Catherine A. TIPPING Daughter U Female 20 West Derby, Lancashire, England No Occupation
Ellen TIPPING Daughter U Female 18 Tarbock, Lancashire, England Dressmaker
George TIPPING Son Male 16 West Derby, Lancashire, England Office Boy
Richard TIPPING Son Male 16 West Derby, Lancashire, England Apprentice (Cooper)
John TIPPING Son Male 14 West Derby, Lancashire, England
Mary TIPPING Daughter Female 11 West Derby, Lancashire, England Scholar
Fredk.W. TIPPING Son Male 8 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
Agnes TIPPING Daughter Female 5 West Derby, Lancashire, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling 159 Whitefield Rd
Census Place Everton, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341879
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3668 / 6
Page Number 6

Maria Tipping Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: 15 DEC 1815 Garston

Christening: 17 DEC 1815 St Mary Woolton, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Father: Joannis Tipping Family
Mother: Anna Low Tipping
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Thanks Ann of Green Gables, I'll have to look at these to see if there's a connection.

Hi Yvonne,

I empathize with you as am researching Tippings in Liverpool too. It's a great big vicious circle! It's been a while since I looked closely at them so I will have a look in the next couple of days and get back to you. I can recall great problems with a Mary Tipping and I have not been able to find a Richard or an Anne Tipping that fit my tree but I know they must be out there some where! I have been told that all Liverpool ( or was it Garston?) Tippings are descended from Joannis Tipping but so far I haven't found a connection.

Trisha

Anna Tipping Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: 24 JUN 1796 Garston

Christening: 29 JUN 1796 St Mary Woolton, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Father: Jacobi Tipping Family
Mother: Elizabetha Tipping
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Alicia Tipping Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: 16 SEP 1817 Toxteth Park

Christening: 21 SEP 1817 St Mary Woolton, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Father: Thoma Tipping Family
Mother: Anna Tipping
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Anna Tipping Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: 10 NOV 1822 Garston

Christening: 17 NOV 1822 St Mary Woolton, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Father: Joannis Tipping Family
Mother: Helena Kershaw Tipping
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Anna Tipping Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: 09 MAR 1805 Much Woolton

Christening: 10 MAR 1805 St Mary Woolton, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Father: Thoma Tipping Family
Mother: Anna Swift Tipping
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Jonathan Tipping Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: Cabres

Christening: 01 FEB 1784 Garstang, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Father: William Tipping Family
Mother: Rachall
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date

Thanks everybody. One of my problems is that I can't find the birth of William Tipping. The census gives his birth date as 1853 but I can't find a birth in freebmd or findmypast. The closest I can come is a William Tippin, Dec 1852, W. Derby, or William Topping, Jun 1854, Liverpool. I'm thinking that the William Tippin might be the one and will send for the certificate. I do have a birth certificate for one of his siblings though - Mary Layton Tipping, and her birth address is given as Aigburth Vale, Garston.
Thanks again.

I've just found the marriage of William Tipping's parents - John and Ellen in 1842. The name is spelled Tippin in the marriage ref so it looks as though the ref I have for William's birth in 1852 could be the correct one.

Hi Yvonne,
You said that William is in the 1861 and 1871 census with his parents John and Ellen and his siblings. Was one of his siblings called John? My great grand father was John (laborer/carter) born c1858 and his father was also John (a marble mason) but I know nothing of my great grandfather's siblings or his whereabouts before he was married. I am wondering if your William and my John could have been brothers?

Incidentally, my grandmother's maiden name is shown as Tippin on her marriage cert and in the 1911 census. In 1881 my great grandparents are shown as Lipping!

Thanks
Trisha

Hi Trisha

Yes, one of William's siblings was John (c 1847). Their father was also John but he was a gardener, so I don't think we have the same family. I've also found that the name changes, depending on how it's transcribed - I've had Tippin, Tipping and Topping. Hope this helps.

the Liverpool area were notorious for not registering births and it was not compulsory in the 1850's.

Where and when did his parents marry please. Was it an RC church? If so you may be able to find a baptism with a fair amount of info on it. I wondered as St Mary's Woolton is RC (all the names latinised). If not it may still be possible to find either William or an elder sibling's baptism at the same church as his parents marriage.

EDIT
sorry missed the info on John & ellen's marriage date and I see it was St Nicholas church so CofE.