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Thanks for the info lancashireAnn, I didn't know about the latinised names and I've seen a lot of references to Joannis. It'll be interesting to see what info the birth and marriage certs I've ordered give.

Bex, from the info you give I can't see a connection to my Tippin/Tipping line and I don't know how to give you access to my tree or you to give me access to your tree from this part of the site.

Thanks.

remember that early parish records were written with latinised names so Joannis is actually John.

Jacobi = James

Maria = Mary (or Maria)

Anna = Ann, Hannah

Helena = frequently Ellen

hi yvonne, I am also a Tipping descendant trying to fathom out the family line. My grandfather was James, a seaman after the army WW1. His father Fred and Grandfather James were watchmakers, but many of the siblings went to sea in 19th and 20th century.I think james circa 1820 may have been a son of Joannis but not sure. He had several children including sons called Robert, Richard and Ed(?) I believe Richard married and emigrated to Australia.I would like to see any other Tipping trees please and hope someone can help me fill in some gaps. thank you for any replies. bex

sorry that marriage ref is from lancs bmd which does not give any more info and I could not look the marriage up as that year is not available in the LRO.

It is on familysearch but no parents name given. The date was 22nd Dec 1842. It may be worth phoning Liverpool as you have the exact date but that does seem to indicate that no parents were named in the parish register so you would still need the marriage certificate.

Hi Yvonne,

Thanks for that - it was worth a try!

Good luck with your research.

Trisha

Thanks lancashireAnn. I'll probably send for the marriage cert. to get their fathers' names, don't suppose the ref you gave indicated that did it? With everybody's help I'm getting further on than I expected to.

John & Ellen marrried at St Nicholas

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1842
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LAYTON Ellen TIPPIN John Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne Liverpool 2053LP/9/131

Hi lancashireAnn

I'm pretty sure the name must've been Tippin and somewhere along the line got changed to Tipping. The marriage ref I found for John Tippin and Ellen Layton is Dec 1842, Liverpool, 20/273. I know that they are definitely William's parents because there's a family story about Charles and Sarah Ann. I also have the birth cert of Mary Layton Tipping showing John and Ellen Tipping as parents.

all 3 baptisms say living in Allerton and John is described as a labourer. All listed as Tippin.

Unfortunately the parish register of the marriage at St Nicholas for John & Ellen is not available at the Lancs record office.

Thanks lancashireAnn. The baptisms seem to match up with all three and the one for William makes me think that the birth I found for William Tippin in Dec qtr. is probably the right one. I've sent for the cert. so hopefully it is.

are these any use?

baptisms at Holy Trinity Wavertree

James 24 feb 1850

John 28 Feb 1847

William 21 Nov 1852

they fit with West Derby births

the Liverpool area were notorious for not registering births and it was not compulsory in the 1850's.

Where and when did his parents marry please. Was it an RC church? If so you may be able to find a baptism with a fair amount of info on it. I wondered as St Mary's Woolton is RC (all the names latinised). If not it may still be possible to find either William or an elder sibling's baptism at the same church as his parents marriage.

EDIT
sorry missed the info on John & ellen's marriage date and I see it was St Nicholas church so CofE.

Hi Trisha

Yes, one of William's siblings was John (c 1847). Their father was also John but he was a gardener, so I don't think we have the same family. I've also found that the name changes, depending on how it's transcribed - I've had Tippin, Tipping and Topping. Hope this helps.

Hi Yvonne,
You said that William is in the 1861 and 1871 census with his parents John and Ellen and his siblings. Was one of his siblings called John? My great grand father was John (laborer/carter) born c1858 and his father was also John (a marble mason) but I know nothing of my great grandfather's siblings or his whereabouts before he was married. I am wondering if your William and my John could have been brothers?

Incidentally, my grandmother's maiden name is shown as Tippin on her marriage cert and in the 1911 census. In 1881 my great grandparents are shown as Lipping!

Thanks
Trisha

I've just found the marriage of William Tipping's parents - John and Ellen in 1842. The name is spelled Tippin in the marriage ref so it looks as though the ref I have for William's birth in 1852 could be the correct one.

Thanks everybody. One of my problems is that I can't find the birth of William Tipping. The census gives his birth date as 1853 but I can't find a birth in freebmd or findmypast. The closest I can come is a William Tippin, Dec 1852, W. Derby, or William Topping, Jun 1854, Liverpool. I'm thinking that the William Tippin might be the one and will send for the certificate. I do have a birth certificate for one of his siblings though - Mary Layton Tipping, and her birth address is given as Aigburth Vale, Garston.
Thanks again.

Jonathan Tipping Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: Cabres

Christening: 01 FEB 1784 Garstang, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Father: William Tipping Family
Mother: Rachall
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date

Anna Tipping Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: 09 MAR 1805 Much Woolton

Christening: 10 MAR 1805 St Mary Woolton, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Father: Thoma Tipping Family
Mother: Anna Swift Tipping
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Anna Tipping Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: 10 NOV 1822 Garston

Christening: 17 NOV 1822 St Mary Woolton, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Father: Joannis Tipping Family
Mother: Helena Kershaw Tipping
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Alicia Tipping Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: 16 SEP 1817 Toxteth Park

Christening: 21 SEP 1817 St Mary Woolton, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Father: Thoma Tipping Family
Mother: Anna Tipping
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.