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Just to quote this Beverley
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taken off all other threads .like i stated before i did not relise what i had done .i am very new to the site.dont come on here alot so very hard to know the system .but genes reunited should state you can only have 1 thread and delete it before another can be put on
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You can have as many threads as you like but not about the same person I'm affraid. There is no point deleting and starting again as you will only get the same answers from possibly the same people who hav'nt realised they have already looked up the info.


The only william Dalby who was a gardner I can see was 41 in 1911 and a boarder in wales although he was born in Leeds, so he could be the man in 1916 but again there is no reason to think they are connected as yet.

jax

This could be his marriage

Marriages Dec 1917 (>99%)
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Dalby William Wheatley Sheffield 9c 980
Wheatley Annie Dalby Sheffield 9c 980

i have looked into 324 sharrow vale road in 1916.there was a gentlemen named william dalby in there.could emily knowles have known him .he was a gardener.so i am still not knowling which emily she was ?

hi there i wonder if anyone could check to see if emily knowles from sheffield died from the spanish flu.this is also a possibility maybe that was the reason he went to the cawthornes.please of you could this would be great .thanks for your help.bev xxhave a great christmas and a propsporous new year.xxx

right i am starting at the beginning for this one.i dont know where she came from and i dont know how old she is .if anyone new of a emily knowles who had a baby not married in 1916 please get in contact.i cannot find anything at all.
if you know a knowles who had a child in 1916 abd gave him away before his fist birthday.please get in touch it is part of a jigsaw puzzle we cant find the starting piece .thankyou .beverleyx

taken off all other threads .like i stated before i did not relise what i had done .i am very new to the site.dont come on here alot so very hard to know the system .but genes reunited should state you can only have 1 thread and delete it before another can be put on .

excuse me i am new to this so i didnt relise that is what you did.i havent put anything new on this site since then .why have thread participation if you can only put 1 thing in 1 area doesnt make sense ....maybe someone looking for surnames read it but would not find in anywhere else because they wasnt looking in any other area.people would miss it would nt they.like i said i didnt know at the time i did them .
i woul dlike to thank everyone who as tried to help with tracking my family.thankyou x

I'm out now.... Four threads about the same person/persons over the last few weeks, plus one I managed to spot before people started to reply on that too

jax

also here

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/general_topics/thread/1250868

That Emily is married Fairthorn so it is not her

The 1911 census that Lindsey gave matches the place of birth but is 4 years younger for some reason

jax

POSSIBLE

1911 census
KNOWLES EMILY 1883 28 Ecclesall Bierlow Yorkshire West Riding



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If you think that could be her birth cert maybe an idea to purchase it to see who her parents were

Where did you get those names from?

jax

i think your right but why is she a boarder ? did she no the bensons.hwe mother i believe is still alive .i think they might have been robert henry and jane ann knowles.but why isnt she with them .thanks for the look up .i do appreciate it.

Could this be her birth

Births Dec 1881 (>99%)
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KNOWLES Emily Ripon 9a 71

1891
Name: Emily Knowles
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Markington, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Ripon
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Ripon
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Ripon
Sub-registration district: Ripon
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Carver 63
Elizabeth H Carver 31 >>>Elizabeth H Benson
John Benson 10
Mary E Benson 7
Emily Knowles 8




1901

Name: Emily Knowles
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Ripon, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Ripon
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Ripon
Sub-registration district: Ripon
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 216
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Carver 72
John Benson 21
Emily Knowles 19

copied from Beverleys other thread

hi there i do think that the emily knowles from markington in ripon 1886 is my great grandmother.but from the age of 8 she as been known only as boarder or visitor.why cant i locate her family.i have tried and tried but i am getting no where.i do no that in 1916a william dalby lived at 324 sharrow vale road i cant see if he is a relation.but it does seam that there were lot of knowles on the street where she was .in 1917 william fraser and beatrice mary slinn where at the house.i cant find if they were a relation.what do you suggest i do now.please get in touch.i would not ask but this is getting very frustrating.

thankyou for your information fairthorn .it is very appreciated.i would have thought she was there at some point for a reason not just to give birth .i think maybe a relative of some kind i will look in the sheffield office to see if there is a link .thanks again love x

But if as hinted re Emily, a respectable family would NOT have allowed her to give birth in their home !!!

Sharrow Vale Road may be terraced houses but in 1916 it was respectable & the tenants were above working class ie grocers bakers etc.

I have never heard of such a thing, remember most single girls did not put an occupation on the certificate.
Odds are, she supported herself working as a dressmaker which is one of the few occupations a girl could do, as the education in those dates was just basic.as the leaving age was 12.

The other thing you could consider is the father was killed in WW1 as many thousands from Sheffield were.


SCHOOL LEAVING AGE
1870:First compulsory school for younger children
1880: Attendance officers enforce school for 5 to 10 year olds
1899: Leaving age raised to 12
1918: Full-time education compulsory up to 14
1944: Education Act raises leaving age to 15
1964: Raising of school leaving age to 16 announced, but not in place until 1972

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thankyou sue.I did wonder wether this could be the situation myself.i know you didnt mean any harm you were trying to help me with my search love x.

Hi Beverley,
I remember reading on here a while ago that the occupation of dressmaker in those days very often meant that she was in fact a 'Lady of the Night' to put it tactfully! Hopefully I'm wrong, but it may be worth keeping in mind! Hope I haven't offended you with this suggestion - I can assure you that I ( and prob most people ) have found far worse in their background!

Regards Sue

using tempest data

Marriages Sep 1881
FOSTER Jane Sheffield 9c 639
YATES Alfred Sheffield 9c 639

they were there also in 1901

PERHAPS Emily was a friend of the daughter Jane who was also a Tailoress.

Births Mar 1889
Yates Jane Ecclesall B 9c 382

Marriages Dec 1914
Yates Jane Ward Ecclesall B. 9c 679
Ward Philip C E Yates Ecclesall B. 9c 679


If Emily had nowhere else to go, they may have kindly helped
Sadly no NHS in those days, you had to have money to have a midwife/doctor.


ps re my family, it came about that, like now, you need a birth certificate to prove you are old enough to work ( in your Grandad's day it was 14 )
because there was no birth certificate under the surname the person was using ( the foster family's ) they had to tell him he was not their natural son !!

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1911 census - address transcription
Address: 324 Sharrow Vale Road Sheffield

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

YATES, Alfred Head Married M 49 1862 Table Knife Hafter Yorkshire Sheffield
YATES, Jane Wife Married 29 years F 50 1861 Yorkshire Sheffield
YATES, John Thomas Son Single M 25 1886 Table Knife Hafter Yorkshire Sheffield
YATES, Jane Daughter Single F 22 1889 Tailoress Yorkshire Sheffield
YATES, Frederick Son Single M 19 1892 Brass Turner Yorkshire Sheffield
YATES, Alfred Son Single M 17 1894 Table Kinfe Hafter Yorkshire Sheffield