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William Edwin Cooter was recorded on his sons marriage certificate as Coast Guard, but there is a word underneath that I can't quite make out

Can anyone help. Thanks :-)

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1623&iid=31280_197755-00058&fn=William+Freathey&ln=Cooter&st=r&ssrc=&pid=3252752

There is a Richard Cooter aged 63 in Medway Union Workhouse in Chatham on the 1841 census, this would tie in with his son being in the area. He is still there in 1851 aged 75, a widower, it gives Canterbury as his birthplace and tallow chandler as occupation.

His death
Deaths Jun 1856
Cooter Richard Medway 2a 199

His burial ( from cityark ) http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/query/results/?Mode=ShowImg&Img=/cityark/Scans/Ecclesiastical_Rochester_Archdeaconry_Area_Parishes/P085_CHATHAM_ST_MARY_1568_1974/01_INCUMBENT_REGISTERS_1568_1974/01_registers/P085_01_089.html/00140615.jpg

Katie

Erika,
I've now found Ann's baptism at St Mary's Chatham on Dec 16th as you said. Again William is described as a Mariner - as were 4 other fathers on the page!
Katie

I have a baptism for Ann Elizabeth Cooter - 16th Dec 1849

She was born Shires Street, Chatham on 28th Nov 1849

I dont actually know where I got that from as I do not have source saved. I shall look into it

Edit - I think from another member and I have various details about her death

What sort of records do you mean? Im not very good at at all this, lol

The only records I have are censuses 61 onwards, marriage cert and what I think are the right naval document.

I shall just have a look to see what I have on Ann :-)

William is still recorded as a Mariner at Henrietta's baptism on August 26th 1855. Have you found Ann's baptism? I couldn't see it in Chatham.
Katie

There is an image of the baptism entry on Cityark but they only named the parents, not who was actually there, at the time.
Katie

Argh this is all so confusing. I think im getting somewhere then it all goes wrong, lol

A boatman is a grade of coastguard if that´s any help.
Marion

On the naval rcords it says that he was on the Cumberland Ship from 16th Feb 51 to 17 Oct 1851

At his son William Freythe's baptism William is described as a Mariner. Unlikely to have been in the navy at that time as they were described as RN in the records.
Katie

Ok so I stand total corrected. I just dug out the Williams Naval records and what I origionally thought, was right.

He joined the navy and was on various ships. The last being the WATERLOO 26 AUG 57 to 3 SEPT 57. There is then an entry underneath which says COASTGUARD 4TH SEPT to 12 ? 65, Boatman with other dates under that entry. Still slightly confused with what it means.

The naval records do indeed say he was born in Bath, Bristol. Which totally contradicts what his birth was in the censuses (DAVINGTON,KENT)

So if WILLIAM was born in Bath, Bristol - was his father Richard as it says on his marriage cert or Robert that is says on the entry on Family Search BETA (given by SAFC) ?

Name: William Edwin Cooter
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 10 Jul 1825
Birthplace: Davington, Kent, England (or bath on naval records)
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Robert Cooter (or Richard on marriage cert)
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Cooter
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00829-2
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1786325
Reference Number: p. 5, No. 38
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


Locating him and identifying the parents is gonna be difficult if I can't find a birth reg.

He was in the navy on a ship when the 1841 census was taken.

Heeeeellllllpppppp :-)

I shall hunt out the naval records I have and double check where he was in 1851. The naval records did say that he was on a boat in 1848 when he got married. I couldnt work this out but like I say I shall double check.

I think he was on a boat in 1851........

If he was not in the coast guards till 1861 do you think this is a totally different person

ADM 29/59/476 More information Original page number: 476 William COOTER; Rank: Coastguard; Born: [Not Given]; Age on entry: 14; Dates served: 10 August 1839-30 September 1860; Date and Type of Application: Greenwich 21 January 1861 1858 Feb-1861 July

I have that one but I was unsure how correct it was........

Do you know if being part of the coastguard was anything to do with the navy back in the 1800's?

Hi Ann,

I have those naval records you mention from the national archives....
I always thought it was the same William but always wondered why I the birthplace was Bath when all the censuses say Davington, Kent.

Ive searched high and low but have found nothing of a matching William in Bath. His marriage cert says his father was Richard - Still nothing.

I am questioning whether those naval records are the correct person afterall as there is also a William Cooter who joined the coast guard at 14 and all the dates match up.

If only I could find the 1851 census when he would have been married to Susannah. It might explain a bit more

xx

And you could try
BRITISH COASTGUARDS 1841 - 1901< http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Coastguards/C.html
Ann

I Found this, I tried to post this last night,[ 6 times] but It wouldn’t have it
Family History: Registers of Seamen's Services
Continuous Service Number: 18884
Date of Volunteering: 05 January 1855
19 June 1825 ADM 139/189 [ & others]
Name Cooter, William Place of Birth: Bath, Bristol
In national archives navy. When I put in the link it wipes it out !

Ann

test

what does it mean by -

Type of Application: Greenwich 21 January 1861 1858 Feb-1861 July