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Name: Joseph Papps
Record Type: Death
Estimated Death Date: 2 May 1887
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

(St. Pancras Workhouse, aged 60, his address given as 39, Millwall Street. Cab Driver)

His wife Ann looks to have died 1856. as posted earlier, still no luck with him1841.

Chris :)

Just to add, i cant actually find Joseph with his family on any census returns, his wife and child are never with him, i suspect the marriage broke down... he certainly doesn't make things easy.... i cant find a baptismal record for him, i did find a marriage cert where he names his Father as George Papps coachman, also the baptismal record for his daughter Harriet born 1854 in Southwark. Joseph is certainly keeping his secrets :-(

Wow Ann what a lot of information, i am sure that some of them must be related to my George and Joseph, perhaps working around this info i can turn something up :-)
Thanks

1861 Census

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image

DURRANT, John Head Married M 64 1797 Corn Dealer
Suffolk VIEW
DURRANT, Charlotte Wife Married F 64 1797
Ipswich
Suffolk VIEW
DURRANT, Elizth Granddaughter Unmarried F 8 1853
Bermondsey
Surrey VIEW
PAPPES, Harriett Granddaughter Unmarried F 6 1855
St George
Surrey VIEW
BLOMFIELD, Robt Servant M 29 1832 Corn Dealer
Thetford
Norfolk VIEW
DURRANT, Harriet Daughter Unmarried F 39 1822
Bermondsey
Surrey VIEw

RG number:
RG09 Piece:
335 Folio:
2 Page:
5

Registration District:
Newington Sub District:
1 Trinity Newington Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Trinity

Civil Parish:
Newington Municipal Borough:
1861 Census

UTTON, Naomi Head Widow F 47 1814 Charwoman
Suffolk VIEW
ROBINS, Sarah Ann Daughter Married F 24 1837 None
Suffolk VIEW
PAPPS, Joseph Lodger Unmarried M 26 1835 Cabman
Lambeth
Surrey VIEW

RG number:
RG09 Piece:
332 Folio:
39 Page:
29

Registration District:
St George Southwark Sub District:
3 London Road Enumeration District:
2 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St George

Civil Parish:
St George Southwark Municipal Borough:
Address:
43, Great Union Street, St George Southwark


289, Kent Street, Newington County:
London, Surrey


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Ann Papps
Name: Ann Papps
Year of Registration: 1856
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Newington
County: Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 147

(not sure if this Death fits)


1841 Census

WILKINSON, Josh M 43 1798 Surrey VIEW
WILKINSON, Mary F 41 1800 VIEW
LAMBERTH, Jas M 21 1820 Surrey VIEW
PAPS, George M 35 1806 Ireland VIEW
BURNS, Robt M 30 1811 VIEW
GENT, Willm M 19 1822 VIEW
BURNS, Lydia F 23 1818 VIEW
DAVIES, Hester F 24 1817 VIEW
VINCE, Caroline F 30 1811 VIEW
KEELING, Geo M 21 1820 VIEW
MCARTY, Ellen F 21 1820 Ireland VIEW

RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1065 Book/Folio:
1/20 Page:
33

Registration District:
St Mary Newington Sub District:
Trinity Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St Mary Newington Municipal Borough:
Lambeth Address:
Kent Street, St Mary Newington, Lambeth County:
Surrey

Only one I can see in area, down as Labourer from Ireland)

Name: Harriet Papps
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1854
Baptism Date: 22 Oct 1854
Father's name: Joseph Papps
Mother's name: Ann Papps
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Lambeth

(address on image looks to be Union Street. Birthdate given as 7th Sept.)

Have you actually got a census where he is with his wife and daughter Harriet please?

Had a good look Irene but can't Joseph in 1841 or his birth record? Have you got that?

Cathy

JOSEPH PAPPS Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 19 JUL 1778 Saint Andrew, Enfield, London, England
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Parents:
Father: JOHN PAPPS Family
Mother: ANNE
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

JOSEH PAPPS Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH NULL Family
Marriage: 09 AUG 1796 Allhallows London Wall, London, London, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

JOSEPH PAPPS Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 23 APR 1800

Christening: 01 MAR 1801 St Martin Ludgate, London, London, England
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Parents:
Father: JOSEPH PAPPS Family
Mother: SARAH
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

JOSEPH JOHN PAPPS Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 16 JAN 1853

Christening: 13 MAR 1853 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England
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Parents:
Father: GEORGE PAPPS Family
Mother: ELIZA
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

1881

Robert DENMARK Serv U Male 37 Long Stratton, Norfolk, England Attendant On The Insane (Hosp Serv)
Joseph PAPPS Serv M Male 53 Hounslow, Middlesex, England Attendant On The Insane (Hosp Serv)
Hy. WILKINSON Serv M Male 49 Marylebone, Middlesex, England Attendant On The Insane (Hosp Serv)
James E. WEST Serv W Male 43 Woolwich, Kent, England Attendant On The Insane (Hosp Serv)
Jesse SPALDING Serv M Male 52 Norwich, Norfolk, England Attendant On The Insane (Hosp Serv)
Albert H. PEARSON Serv U Male 18 Brandon, Suffolk, England Attendants Servant (Dom)
Jane QUINTON Serv U Female 38 Norwich, Norfolk, England Assistant Matron (Hosp)
Maria RICHES Serv U Female 42 Pulham Mary, Norfolk, England Attendant On The Insane
Elizth. WOODHOUSE Serv U Female 30 Sculthorpe, Norfolk, England Attendant On The Insane
Ethel S. SMITH Serv U Female 26 Ashby, Norfolk, England Attendant On The Insane
Martha M. CLARKE Serv U Female 22 Brisley, Norfolk, England Attendant On The Insane
Henriette BRETT Serv U Female 20 Ingworth, Norfolk, England Attendant On The Insane
Minnie G. DANIELS Serv U Female 23 Norwich, Norfolk, England Attendant On The Insane
Gertrude HUBBARD Serv U Female 21 Runham, Norfolk, England Attendant On The Insane
Jane PARNELL Serv U Female 23 Attendant On The Insane
Emily CURSON Serv W Female 47 Ringland, Norfolk, England Cook Domestic Serv
Sarah F. WARMAN Serv U Female 25 Hethersett, Norfolk, England Parlour Maid Serv
Susanna DEWING Serv U Female 20 Cawston, Norfolk, England Housemaid Serv
Mary A. BRIGGS Serv U Female 20 Aslacton, Norfolk, England Housemaid Serv
Sarah THWAITES Serv U Female 30 Buxton, Norfolk, England Housemaid Serv
(Continued)


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Source Information:
Institution "Heigham Hall Asylum" Old Palace Road
Census Place Heigham, Norfolk, England
Family History Library Film 1341470
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1953 / 44
Page Number 14

1881

Joseph PAPPS Patient M Male 50 Lambeth, Surrey, England Cabman
Edmond HAKE Patient U Male 25 St.Pancras, Middlesex, England Pianoforte Maker
William TRUMAN Patient W Male 49 Hoxton, Middlesex, England General Porter
William CATLIN Patient U Male 60 St. Sepulchers, Middlesex, England Commercial Traveller
Samuel STAMP Patient W Male 45 Ware, Hertford, England Contractors Labourer (Navvy)
James HAWES Patient W Male 60 West Wickham, Buckingham, England Brewers Labourer
Frederick APPLEBY Patient U Male 30 St.Pancras, Middlesex, England Wheeler
George HADDOCK Patient W Male 62 Somers Town, Middlesex, England Chimney Sweep
Thomas MOFFATT Patient U Male 67 Ireland Clerk
Robert RICHARDSON Patient M Male 59 St.Pancras, Middlesex, England Bricklayer
John KENNEDY Patient U Male 39 Ireland Bill Poster
Jeremiah COLLINS Patient U Male 40 St. Giles, Middlesex, England General Hawker
John SULLIVAN Patient M Male 50 Ireland French Polisher
John LAWLER Patient U Male 58 St.Giles, Middlesex, England Printers Labourer
Thomas MAY Patient U Male 56 Plymouth, Devon, England Clerk
Florance MC CARTHY Patient M Male 32 Ireland General Labourer
John WALNER Patient W Male 66 Ireland General Porter
William LEE Patient M Male 47 St.Pancras, Middlesex, England Office Stepmaker (Carpenter)
Henry JAMES Patient U Male 62 Warminster, Somerset, England Civil Engineer
Frank HOLMES Patient U Male 42 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales Builders Labourer
(Continued)


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Source Information:
Institution "Cleveland Street Asylum" Cleveland Street W
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341042
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0189 / 103
Page Number 6

ADA PAPPS Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth: 26 APR 1838

Christening: 22 MAY 1838 Saint Martin In The Fields, Westminster, London, England
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Parents:
Father: CHARLES HENRY PAPPS Family
Mother: ANN ELIZABETH
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

ALLEN PAPPS Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 23 JUN 1811

Christening: 29 SEP 1811 St Ann Blackfriars, London, London, England
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Parents:
Father: JOSEPH PAPPS Family
Mother: SARAH
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

ALLEN PAPPS Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: ANN MARSH Family
Marriage: 11 JAN 1845 Saint Andrew By The Wardrobe, London, London, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Joseph Papps on the 1871 census is unmarried.

Hi Ann,
Thanks for your efforts, i don't think the George Papps from the West Indies belongs to me, i discounted him as he was a solicitor, i think he would probably have been a bit posh for my Joseph's Father!
I have been trying to find any members of the Papp's family with coaching or cabbing connections.... a bit desperate perhaps!

AOGG That George was a solicitor.

GEORGE PAPPS Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: JANE ANNE ANDERSON LAWRENCE Family
Marriage: 22 AUG 1825 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.