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Rolf... The Ulster Covenant could only be signed by those born in Ulster therefore there had to be "another" Joseph R. in Summerlee 1912....but obviously not yours..!!

That is what I have too. On Elizabeth's death record it states that she was ill for two days before she died.

Joseph arrived in Quebec on 11 June 1911 headed for Winnipeg. Janet and the children arrived in Quebec on 7 July 1912.

The Joseph you found in the covenant could be the one in the 1901 census living in 6 Summerlee Street which is nearby. He was a blast furnace labourer and there was a Summerlee iron works in those days. He was not born in Ireland, but his parents could have been Irish. Anyway, it appears he is not the one I am looking for.

Rolf....We all have moments like that...!!!
Apparently the homestead caught fire and George rescued her but she subsequently died..I think he may have also have lost use of an eye...
Thomas seems to have been lost in all the info.re George...!!
Can you find out what date Joe and family went to Canada...his dates conflict... 1916 Census says 1911 ..passage on Scandanavian out of Glasgow states 1912....its the actual month you need to know...had to have been after Sept 1912 to clarify the address in Coatbridge...I dont have Ancestry to check details...

I am an idiot or am I not. Horray, I discovered we have continued on page two.

I posted a reply last night, but it was late and I must have clicked the wrong button because I don't see it today. Anyway, I'll try again.

George's wife was Elizabeth Hodgins, born in Whitby Jp (?) and died on 21st Feb 1918 from accidental burns in n.e. 1/4 sec 8 Morley. She was buried in Erno, Ont. The informant was George Richardson with address Stratton. Her parents were Christopher Hodgins and Mary Yates. This is from her death record registered in the county of Rainy River, division of Morley.

I did know that George had re-enlisted, but I did not know his address in 1891. Where did you find that?

I first thought Joseph had died in WWI in Mesopotamia, but I found that to be wrong. He died in Winnipeg in 1956 as did his wife Janet in 1970. The Janet I had dying in Paisley in 1963 was also wrong. Who that was has to wait until I am in Edinburgh again. Joseph emigrated to Winnipeg in 1911 and his wife and children followed in 1912. The last address I have for him in Coatbridge was in Ronald Street in 1910. I am intrigued that you found an address for 1912. How did you manage that?

Rolf...The 1891 address for George (VC) was from I letter I found just searching around...have sent it to you by personal message...
I found Josephs address 1912 by checking to see if he signed the Ulster Covenant (Sept 1912)...but given you state he emigrated earlier than that then I cant see it being " Your" Joseph unless immigration year is not correct....

Thanks to both of you. I shall try to cover your queries one by one as best I can.

George's wife was Elizabeth Hodgins and she died on 21st Feb 1918 in n.e.1/4 sec 8, Morley. Her death is recorded in the county of Rainy River in the division of Morley. The informant was her husband George with address Stratton. She was born in Whitby Jp. Ont. (That's what I think it says if it makes any sense).

Her father was Christopher Hodgins and her mother was Mary Yates.

I knew George re-enlisted in the army, but I did not have his address in 1891. Where did you find that?

As to Joseph, I thought he died in Mesopotamia in WWI and his wife Janet in 1963 in Paisley, but that was wrong. Joseph died in Winnipeg in 1956 and Janet in 1970, also in Winnipeg. He was an iron works labourer in Coatbridge and I have traced him to several different addresses, the last one I have was in 1910 in Ronald Street. How did you find an address for 1912?

Rolf ...I have found some previous threads you posted relative to the Richardson's (Coatbridge) specifically Joseph who married Janet Rae...Can you confirm or clarify...(Sept) Joseph ? died WW1...Janet (Paisley 1963)
(Nov)...Joseph and Janet emigrated to Winnipeg...? Did you have any addresses for him in C.Bridge
I ask because I have found a Joseph Richardson...(Ire) living at North Row Summerbee Coatbridge in 1912.....

That info is all at the link Rolf gave above ... it's what I was going on. ;)

Rolf ...We seem to have deviated from finding Thomas et.al but I dont know if the following re George (VC) is of any value to you or if you already have the info.George emigrated to Canada 1862 and re-enlisted in the army 1865 (Prince of Wales Royal Rifles) his address in May 1891 was Vankoughnet PO Oakley Ont. ...

Stratton, I'd never heard of! I find it on google maps, a tiny crossroads up against the Manitoba border. Westminster Hospital in London where he died, I grew up not far from that. ;)

I can't spot him in the 1901 or 1911 census (and it isn't clear where they lived when his wife ded in 1916). The record would say where his wife was born, which could help somewhat to place his marrage.


Okay, Stratton was in Algoma district, as I suspected.

http://search.ancestry.ca/search/db.aspx?dbid=8946

Eliz Richardson year dd mm 1916 Algoma


So it's the one I was looking at, at automatedgenealogy, although the age is well off:

Richardson George M Head M Jun 9 1836
64
Richardson Elizabeth F Wife M Nov 7 1842
58

We're in luck, she was born in Ontario. So it looks like they married after he immigrated to Canada, and after his time in Montreal.

Not knowing where he was in Ontario, though -- he's not in the 1881 census in Algoma district, so he must have married elsewhere -- it's hard to spot a marriage ... especially when I can't see the details. ;)

... Although, you already know his father was John, so I guess it doesn't really matter!

I cannot find a marriage record for him in Ontario at the URL you provided so he might have married before he emigrated. He lived in Stratton. There is some more information about him here:

http://www.iol.ie/~galwill/rchdson.htm

Did George marry in Ontario or before emigrating? Ontario marriage records (images can be viewed at Ancestry) usually give the parties' parents' names.

http://search.ancestry.ca/search/db.aspx?dbid=7921

Where did he settle in Ontario? (I'm in Ontario, but don't subscribe for Canadian records at Ancestry.)

I'd remove the name of RD in Ontario -- unless he knows he's being talked about here. ;)

Hi Christine,
That is the information we have found as well. What we want to establish is if William Alexander's father George was the brother of John, the father of George (VC). We have found the death record for George (VC) and his wife in Ontario, but we have not found any descendants so far. I have been in touch with a person in Ontario who claims to be his gg grandson but he seems to have forgotten about our search.

It also turns out that the Thomas I am looking for is not the one Liz suggested. His father was Walter and that does not match.

Rolf...
George (VC) was the youngest son of John Richardson, a linen weaver, and his wife Anne, he was born in Derrylane, Killeshandra, County Cavan, August 1, 1831.

Hi Christine,
Thomas's birth record states he was born in Tullylurkin in the district of Tullyvin in the union of Cootehill. I believe Tullylurkin must have been the name of the farm or village.

The only information I have on Wm snr is that his parents were George and Margaret. I don't think I can get any further on-line. We are planning a visit to Dublin and Cavan next year to try and find some more information from the GRO and the CoI library.

We are also trying to establish if Wm A could have been the cousin of George Richardson who won the Victoria Cross in 1859 and emigrated to Ontario, Canada. But that will also have to wait until we get to Ireland, or possibly Ontario. Expensive stuff this genealogy, but we get some interesting holidays.

Thank you Christine,
I think you might be right. I will have to check the English records now. Perhaps I will find his brothers Hugh and William Robert and sister Margret Jane in London too.

The Drury side I still have to work on, but that will be more difficult because we are then into Irish parish records.

Rolf....Where did you get the Birthplace for Thomas as being Tullylurkin'Tullyvin Cootehill from....these places are all individual Townlands and in differing Civil Parishes.but within the PLU of Cootehill (I state "are" as being relative to the timeframe you are searching initially)....
Tullylorcan being in the Civil Parish of Knockbride
Tullyvin T... Civil Parish of Kildrumsherdan
Cootehill T....Civil Parish Drumgoony

Do you have any info on Wm snr....?

Thank you Janey.
I have no evidence that he survived childhood. I have checked in the GRO in Dublin and I have had help from Cavan Genealogy, but I have drawn a blank. So I am working on the assumption that he emigrated to somewhere. We will see if Liz is right.

I think the Ritcheson spelling has sneaked itself in somewhere and I tend to ignore it. Perhaps the registrar in Tullivin thought that was the spelling, but his father spelled it Richardson. John William I have got covered. He died in 1883. Margret Jane I am unsure of. I have found a Margret J in the 1911 census living with her son Robert in Corraneary, but that is not much to go on.

In 1901 Coatbridge was called Old Monkland and I have found his brothers there and traced them to their deaths. The Joseph you found married Janet Rae in 1904. They emigrated to Winnipeg, Manitoba in 1911-12 and died there in 1956 and 1970.

Thank the Lord there are people who enjoy searching around.

Thank you Liz.
It is possible that you have found him. Somehow it had not occurred to me that he might have gone to England. Now I will need to find their marriage record to see if you are right.