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Elizabeth - thanks for the update. What a bummer, eh
Incidentally, what did the W stand for in the local rego ref?

It's abt 50 y too late, but if you get back further, it's worth checking out the Durham BTs at:
https://beta.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1®ion=EUROPE

There's several local (C of E) parishes there - Cramlington, Earsdon, Longbenton, Tynemouth, Wallsend, etc

I can't see a particular W except that on the accompanying copy of the application it describes the Certificate Type as Standatd E/W Marriage w GRO. I don't know how to interpret that!

I have tried the family search records including the new beta ones, but not specifically the bishops' transcripts. I must try that - if they are not indexed yet it does mean sitting there turning over page after page so I must find a time when I can do it patiently! well worth it if you in fact get a result. The unindexed ones I have combed through in the past (unsuccessfully) for other pre-1837 Rutherfords were I think prepared by Durham University.

Re the W: Where did the marriage occur?

St. John the Baptists Catholic Chapel, Annitsford, Weetslade - these are all now very much part of Cramlington where the bride lived.

Hi Elizabeth,
Is there any chance you have the wrong family, it's strange that James was recorded born Cramlington throught the census returns, then in 1911 as born Old Hartley? There is another James Rutherford on the 1901 census of the same age, but born Old Hartley - see below:

James Rutherford
Relation to Head of Family Lodger
Age Last Birthday 24
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Pork Butcher
Employment Status
Condition as to Marriage Single
Where Born Northumberland Old Hartley
Address 10 Avenue Terr
Civil Parish Seaton Delaval
Rural District Tynemouth
Town or Village or Hamlet Seaton Delaval
Ecclesiastical Parish Seghill
Parliamentary Borough or Division Wansbeck
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District
Administrative County Northumberland

I see the child John on the 1911 census is born Seaton Delaval?

Your James's mother and brother are on the 1911 census at 68 Campbell Street, a public house. Robert is a licenced victullar. There is also a James Rutherford on the 1911 census with Minnie, he is a barman.

Don't know if any of this is relevant but may be worth checking - does this occupation correspond to the marriage certificate?

Added: This James's father was John, a seaman, born Scotland according to the 1871 census, his father had died by the 1881 census.

Good luck
Mac

Thanks - I should say that I did some time ago also pick up James the butcher, and just as we are warned not to do assumed he was the oneand started putting him and his relations into my tree - but luckily in a further follow up of some of his relations I discovered (by being given access to another tree), that they were a completely different family. I see I haven't access to that false trail tree any more.

The child John on the 1911 census is my father-in-law. The James 1911 married to Minnie isn't him - his wife was definitely Catherine and he filled in the 1911 census form himself - indeed the first real interest from my OH was when I showed him the 1911 census form and he said "that's my grandfather's writing!". And our James' father, also James, had the Post office and village shop in Cramlington.

The James on the certificate I had is a coal miner, son of John a deceased merchant seaman, which sounds like yours married to Minnie, but here he' s definitely married to Katherine McNally could be a nickname or second name I suppose.

I hadn't found our James mother and brother in 1911, I hadn't looked, will do so next! thanks.

Many thanks for your interest, anyway

Elizabeth

I'm not quite understanding this sorry probably being thick, but on the certificate you got does it show James marrying Minnie Rolland or Katherine McNally?

The certificate shows him marrying Katherine McNally

Did your father-in-law have a younger sister called Mary by any chance?

Since this m.cert will be from the registrar's register, not the church's, the W must refer to where the registrar is from.

There's a couple of pics of interest at:
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NZ2774

mac - it is possible. There is a reference in the 1911 census to a child who has died, and we know that Catherine and any other children died in the flu epidemic at the end of World War I. I have a probable death registration death date for Catherine in 1918 though I haven't yet sent for the certificate, but couldn't find any Rutherford children's deaths registered about that time - and no-one in the family seems to have any details of the dobs and sexes, or even the number, they are just focused on the fact that my father in law was brought up as an only child just by his father.

mgnv - thanks - I'll have a look at the site - I think I have it bookmarked, someone was trying to show me where we bought a dog in 1961!
At that date all the southeast Northumberland registrations are indexed as Tynemouth - covering a huge number of towns and villages in the censuses of where people think they were born!

Edit by "that date" i mean 1905 not 1961!

The photographs - thanks. I do know Cramlington. Back in the days when I worked as a market researcher (when we walked the streets with clipboards before it all went on line) I seemed to be sent to Cramlington almost every week!