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Hi Could anyone please help me to find a John Cutting born 1866 St Georges Surrey England I think he may have married a Jane Carter in 1891 Lambeth, London Surrey I can find him when he is living with his parents but not after that.
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks Amanda

John didnt marry jane Carter this bloke did

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Jane Carter
Name: Jane Carter
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Spouse Name: William Markquick
Spouse Age: 45
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 28 Jun 1891
Parish: St Mary at Lambeth
County: Surrey
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: James Carter
Spouse Father Name: Edward Markquick

And this is the marriage you mention of 'this' John although Im not sure he is your man


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Ellen Way
Name: Ellen Way
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Spouse Name: John Cutting
Spouse Age: 29
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 29 Jun 1891
Parish: St Mary at Lambeth
County: Surrey
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: William Way
Spouse Father Name: George Cutting

Hi Ginny I thought there was a Jane in notes I had for the family but I have just now been checking and your right, but the other one isn't him either John's fathers name was John. I don't know if that helps, he just seems to have disappeared out of the census, unless I am looking right at him and not seeing it, after a while the concentration starts to slip
Amanda

I didnt think it was him either I was just ruling out those 1891 marriages

So, what about this


England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
about John Cutting
Name: John Cutting
Date of Trial: 3 Jul 1883
Trial Year: 1883
Location of Trial: Surrey, England
Sentence: Imprisonment 2 years hard labour
Crime: Indecent assault

Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945
about John Cutting FARMER
Name: John Cutting
Arrival Date: 29 Mar 1891
Age: 30 Years
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Ohio
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Microfilm Roll Number: T840_14

1900 United States Federal Census
about John Cutting
Name: John Cutting FARM LABOURER
Home in 1900: Westtown, Chester, Pennsylvania
Age: 37
Birth Date: May 1863
Birthplace: England
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1890
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Spouse's name: Jane Cutting
Marriage Year: 1891
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 9
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Cutting 37
Jane Cutting 36
John Cutting 8
Etta Cutting 6




What other info do you have on him?

Hi Ginny with criminal records, did they do any census on people in jail, he sounds a nice type, and with anyone who went overseas was there birth origins listed on any travel documents
Amanda

poss

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image
CUTTING, Mary Ann Head Married
46 years F 67 1844 None London Borough Road S E VIEW
CUTTING, John Son Single M 44 1867 Printer's Cutter London Borough Road S E VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1837 Reference:
RG14PN1837 RG78PN65 RD23 SD5 ED19 SN80

Registration District:
Southwark Sub District:
Newington South Enumeration District:
19 Parish:
St Mary Newington

Address:
220 East St Walworth S E County:
London

If thats your John with the criminal record he wouldnt have been around on a census on that year

Hmmm...the 1911 is a could be too but where is he in 1891 and 1901?

Pennsylvania 1910 Miracode Index
about John Cutting
Name: John Cutting
Birthplace: England
State: PA
Age: 45
Colour: W
Enumeration District: 0028
Visit: 0096
County: Chester
Relation: Head of Household
Other Residents: Relation Name Age Birth Place
Wife Jane H 50 England
Son John 19 Pennsylvania
Daughter Eatta 15 Pennsylvania
Daughter Ellen 08 Pennsylvania

Hang on this is from a tree on Ancestry....did they take off to Oz

John Cutting sr
Birth: 1839 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Death: 1930 - Footscray, Victoria, Australia
Parents: Abraham Cutting, Elizabeth Dickenson
Spouse: Mary Ann Whichello

Who were Johns seniors parents?

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Jno Cutting
Name: Jno Cutting
Death Place: Footscray, Victoria
Age: 91
Father's name: Abraham Cutting
Mother's name: Elizth Dickenson
Registration Year: 1930
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 5272

I think we may have a match

1841 England Census
about John Cuttery
Name: John Cuttery
[John Cutting]
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: St James
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham Cuttery 40
Elizabeth Cuttery 30
Thomas Cuttery 9
Willm Cuttery 6
George Cuttery 4
John Cuttery 3
Amelia Taylor 20

Is this your family in 1881? - if so they were at the same address in 1891, Mary now a widow, John a print cutter, also there William & Alfred. I thinks this could be the same family Lindsey posted in 1911.

CUTTING, John Head Married M 42 1839 Engineer Gas Works
Ipswich
Norfolk VIEW
CUTTING, Mary Wife Married F 37 1844
St Saviours
Surrey VIEW
CUTTING, John Son Single M 15 1866 Genl Laborer
St Saviours
Surrey VIEW
CUTTING, Alfred Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar
St Saviours
Surrey VIEW
CUTTING, Philip Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
St Saviours
Surrey VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
521 Folio:
74 Page:
47

Registration District:
St Saviour Southwark Sub District:
Kent Road Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St George the Martyr Southwark Municipal Borough:
Address:
1, Marshalsea, St George The Martyr Southwark County:
Surrey

Hi Everyone The 1881 census family with parents John and Mary are the correct family for John born 1866, but as I say he seems to have disappeared in the 1891-1901 census, to reamirge in the 1911 living with his mother. Sorry for the late delay in answering had to feed the family
Amanda
Ps Is there anyway of finding out if he was the John Cutting with the criminal record?

Hi Amanda,

He is still with his mother on the 1891 census at the same address as in 1881, but I can't find either of them in 1901.

CUTTING, Mary A Head Widow F 47 1844
Southwark
London VIEW
CUTTING, William Son Single F 26 1865 Printers Cutter
Manchester Road VIEW
CUTTING, John Son Single F 25 1866 Print Cutter
Blackfriars
London VIEW
CUTTING, Alfred Son Single F 22 1869 Machine Minder
Blackfriars
London VIEW
GAMBLE Lodger Single F 30 1861 Furrier
Southwark
London VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
344 Folio:
51 Page:
30

Registration District:
St Saviour Southwark Sub District:
Kent Road Enumeration District:
2 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St George the Martyr

Civil Parish:
St George the Martyr Southwark Municipal Borough:
Southwark Address:
1, Marshalsea Place, St George The Martyr Southwark, Southwark County:
London

Hi Mac I know I have gone backwards and forwards trying to find him even names where there could have been mistaken spelling and I just can't find him. I then tried looking for a very late marriage after 1911 could only see 1 which may be worth following, also tried to see when his mother may have died to give me a time line to work on, but there are to many Mary Ann's to know which would be the right one, he has to be there somewhere you would think
Amanda

Possible?

Deaths Dec 1923 (>99%)
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Cutting John 58 Camberwell 1d 731

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Deaths Mar 1920 (99%)
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CUTTING Mary A 74 Camberwell 1d 896

What makes you think he ever actually got married?

Hi Mac To be honest I'm not sure, possible because he was in his forties and still living with his mother, he may not have, I certainly can't find anything more about him after the 1911 census, and I don't know where he was in the 1901 census, I guess I will have to leave him with question unanswered.
Amanda and thanks for all your help much appreciated