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Thanks Paul, sorry I took so long to get back to you but I have only just seen this. I am beginning to think that Olive was perhaps married before she became Olive May so that Spilling was not her maiden name as there is no record of her anywhere.
Mandy

I have this information on Horace Spilling from my father Raymond Spilling.

However no information on a Kate or Olive Spilling.

Born: 23/01/1888 at 1 Church Alley, St George Tombland. Norwich.
Died: 11/08/1914 Austria.

Enlisted as a boy in the Gloustershire Regiment at Bristol as a muscian 27/02/1903.
Served in the Boer War -sent to South Africa 09/06/1903 returned 07/06/1904. Discharged as Medically unfit 14/11/1904
Went to Austria about 1913 to learn the violin. He was interned at the out break of World War 1.
He died as a prisoner 11/8/1914. Red Cross in Switzerland have no records of the prisoners who died as civilans.

address on military discharge in 1903 - 45 Vauxhall Street, Norwich



1901

110 SPILLING, Henry Head Married M 40 1861 Laster & Heller
Norwich
Norfolk VIEW
110 SPILLING, Maria Wife Married F 38 1863 Shoemaker
Aslacton
Norfolk VIEW
110 SPILLING, Henry Son M 16 1885 On Printing Machine
Norwich
Norfolk VIEW
110 SPILLING, Alfred Son M 15 1886 Telegraph Messenger
Norwich
Norfolk VIEW
110 SPILLING, Herbert Son M 10 1891
Norwich
Norfolk VIEW
110 SPILLING, Archie Son M 9 1892
Norwich
Norfolk VIEW
110 SPILLING, Mable Daughter F 6 1895
Norwich
Norfolk VIEW
110 SPILLING, Otto Son M 3 1898
Norwich
Norfolk VIEW
110 SPILLING, Sidney Son M 0 1901
Norwich
Norfolk VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
1845 Folio:
11 Page:
13

Registration District:
Norwich Sub District:
West Wymer Enumeration District:
22 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Holy Trinity

Civil Parish:
Norwich Municipal Borough:
Address:
45, Vauxhall Street, Norwich, Heigham County:
Norfolk




1911

SPILLING, Henry Head Married M 50 1861 Shoemaker Norwich Norfolk VIEW
SPILLING, Maria Wife Married
27 years F 46 1865 Shirtmaker Norfolk Aslacton VIEW
SPILLING, Otto Son M 13 1898 School Norfolk Norwich VIEW
SPILLING, Sidney Son M 10 1901 School Norfolk Norwich VIEW
SPILLING, Dorothy Daughter F 7 1904 School Norfolk Norwich VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
11315 Reference:
RG14PN11315 RG78PN614 RD225 SD2 ED26 SN436

Registration District:
Norwich Sub District:
West Wymer Enumeration District:
26 Parish:
Norwich

Address:
132 Rupert Street Norwich County:
Norfolk

Thanks will see if I can contact them. Thanks for all your help everyone have to leave the pc now a hot bath is calling I think you have found all there is about Horace and i am truly grateful.
Mandy

The details on Ancestry of the daughter they had who died in 1997, states she - Catherine was born in 1910 but no place of birth is given. No birth registration can be found in England / Wales. Perhaps the family were in Scotland or elsewhere for a time. Catherine went on to marry in 1932 in London so the family, or her at least, were in the country then.

The other child was a daughter.

Yes sorry about that i just noticed the spelling was wrong. I know there is no record but I was given info that he did have a sister Olive and I am trying to determine that he didn't. Sounds bizarre but to find somethings you have to eliminate others and i think you are doing that splendidly . Olive is a total mystery apart from I believe she could have run away from home about 1904ish if she had been born here and my last hope was Horace. Also lost a james Spilling 1886 the rest of his family were unfortunate to be in a workhouse but not him, he disappeared before his siblings were put there. i used to think he was related to olive and Horace but i now think horace is on the map and not related in any way.

Amanda

There are two people on here who have Horace in their tree, one has a year of birth as 1888 and the other as 1885 - which we know is wrong. It might be worth contacting them if they are any connection to the family.

There is also someone on Ancestry who has them on their tree, with two children - one who died in 1997 and one who appears to be still living.

Sorry to be a bit of a pedant but her maiden name shows as O'Connor not O'Conner.

This all looks a bit iffy to me. What is your connection to the Spilling family and why do you believe that Horace might have had a sister Olive?

Horace's parents seem to have spent most if not all of their lives in Norfolk so it may be assumed that any children they may have had would most probably have been born there. There are no birth registrations of an Olive Spilling in Norfolk 1880~1910.

This may or may not be Katie O'Connor in 1901:
Name: Kate Oconnor
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Patrick Oconnor
Mother's name: Mary Oconnor
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Oconnor 58 occ Road labourer
Mary Oconnor 40
Kate Oconnor 13

her name is Kate Spilling nee o'conner born 1888 father patrick o'conner a bricklayer . I have been hoping to find a sister for Horace called Olive but she hasn't popped up yet.

Like yourself I cannot spot her in 1911 under the surname Spilling (Any forename).

Neither can I spot a death for Horace in England or Wales.

Do you know anything else about him or her.

No can't see her on there.

No actually not thought of that being a bit cold and tired thanks will try that now unless you have her at your finger tips.

Actually the military record that Christina found does not rule out that the Horace in prison in 1911 was not your man. On his 1909 marriage certificate Horace 's occupation is given as a musician. Were he still in the military in 1909 his occupation should have stated either his military rank or that he was a bandsman rather than a musician. There is no record of a Horace Spilling receiving an army pension or WW1 medals so I am guessing that he was not in the army at that time.

Have you found his wife on the 1911 census?

Well there you go its a bit annoying but maybe Alfred was known as Harry or vica versa.

Actually on the records it says his parents are Harry Spilling and Maria!

Wow thanks Christina at least this isn't the one in prison thanks a bunch any idea who his parents are?

Name: Alfred Spilling
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 03 Feb 1889
Baptism/Christening Place: St. George-Tombland, Norwich, Norfolk, England
Birth Date: 22 Aug 1886
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Henry Spilling
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Maria
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02800-5
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1596459
Reference Number: item 30 p 91
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

British Army Service Records 1760-1913 THIS IS YOUR MAN RECORD
First name(s): Horace STATES HE IS A MUSICIAN

Last name: SPILLING

Calculated year of birth: 1888

Parish of birth: Trinity

Town of birth: Norwich

County of birth: Norfolk

Age at attestation: 15 years 1 months

Attestation date: 27 February 1903

Attestation corps: Gloucestershire Regiment

Attestation soldier number: 6768

Discharge rank:

Discharge corps:

Discharge soldier number:

The National Archives reference: WO97 / 5974 / 63

Could someone have mixed up rthe names on the marraige then becusae it says father Alfred Bootmaker address something like Freeling st

1891??


Name: Horace Spilling
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Son
Father's name: Henry Spilling
Mother's name: Maria Spilling
Gender: Male
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: St Peter Mancroft
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Mancroft
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Norwich
Sub-registration district: Mancroft
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Spilling 29
Maria Spilling 24
Henry Spilling 6
Alfred Spilling 4
Horace Spilling 3
Herbert Spilling 7/12

N.B. I note that on the 1909 marriage certificate Horace's age is indicated as 24. Perhaps he was no so good when it came to remembering dates and names (Lol)

This looks like the marriage of the parents who appear in the 1891 census:

Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%)
Briggs Maria Depwade 4b 373
Spilling Henry Depwade 4b 373