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No problem, glad to try to help, keeps me from doing the housework!
Mac

Hi Dea & Mac, sorry had unexpected visitors just read all the new info thank you both very very much Carol.

Thank you mac - I thought I was going mad there!

It does seem that the census info does not match the facts?

Dea x

I don't think you're missing anything Dea, think you are right and Willam Scarlett and Eleanor Cole are the parents of both Thomas and Edward.

On the 1841 census for Eleanor, she had children John (20 christened 1815), Sofia (15 ch 1826), Eliza (13 ch 1827), Mary Ann (10 ch. 1829) and Edward (5 ch 1832). Likelyhood older children William (1814) and Thomas (1818) had already left home. All the christenings were in Leominster, but the census does not have all the names right.

Maybe the census is the confusing issue here and there was a misunderstanding whilst collecting the information?

Mac

Just one thing puzzling me here.............

The info which mac has found re William born c1788 and Eleanor b c 1890 looks very good to fit with that marriage around 1813.

This though leaves us (from what it says on 1851 census) with brothers William c 1788 and Thomas born c 1821 ??????????

Looks too big a gap to me?

On exploring, I have found these 2 brothers with the same names etc:

Thomas Scarlett

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: Leominster, Hereford, England
parents: William Scarlett, Eleanor Scarlett

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Thomas Scarlett
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 19 Apr 1818
baptism/christening place: Leominster, Hereford, England
father's name: William Scarlett
mother's name: Eleanor Scarlett
indexing project (batch) number: I03219-7
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1593747
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William Scarlet

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: Leominster, Hereford, England
parents: William Scarlet, Eleanor Scarlet

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: William Scarlet
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 27 Mar 1814
baptism/christening place: Leominster, Hereford, England
father's name: William Scarlet
mother's name: Eleanor Scarlet
indexing project (batch) number: I03220-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1593747

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However, this would mean that the relationship on 1851 should not have been brother's wife but 'Mother' !!

This does not make sense!

Of course, Thomas could have had a father William AND a brother William, who both married Eleanor's, BUT that would not account for Eleanor's age and details on 1851 to fit the one marrying his father!

What am I missing here?

Heeellp!!

Dea x

Eleanor Scarlett is on the 1861 census as a widow, born c1894 Kinnersley, but on the earlier census she was born c1891. If so, I think this birth could confirm Dea's marriage?

Name: Eleanor Cole
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 15 Aug 1790
Baptism/Christening Place: KINNERSLEY,HEREFORD,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Cole
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Milbrow
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: K13898-2
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1040199
Reference Number:

Possible birth for William?
Name: William Scarlet
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 12 Nov 1788
Baptism/Christening Place: LEOMINSTER,HEREFORD,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Scarlet
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C14610-4
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: unknown
Reference Number:

You are welcome Carol

Dea x

Thank you so much that is fabulous

There is this marriage on IGI but it is 'submitted' so may not be accurate?

WILLIAM SCARLETT
Marriages:
Spouse: ELEANOR COLE Family
Marriage: 1813 Leominster, Hereford, England


Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church.

Dea x

Thank you mac - you seem to have found the birth details to confirm.

Dea x

Yes Dea that does make sense is there anyway to find out who her husband was

Edward Scarlet

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: Leominster, Hereford, England
parents: William Scarlet, Eleanor Scarlet

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Edward Scarlet
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 18 Mar 1832
baptism/christening place: Leominister, Hereford, England
father's name: William Scarlet
mother's name: Eleanor Scarlet
indexing project (batch) number: I03219-9
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1593747

From Beta site on family search. Looks like Dea could be right, well thought out!

Thank you all for your help its very much appreciated

I have looked at the 1851 image...........

Do you not think that Edward is, in fact, Ellen's (image says Eleanor) son??

Eleanor is a widow and marked as 'brother's wife' (Thomas's brother's wife).

Edward IS marked as 'son', but is underneath Eleanor and it could mean he is 'her' son.

This would be Eleanor, I believe in 1841 and she does have a son called Edward............

1841 England Census
about Elenor Scarlet Name: Elenor Scarlet
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1796
Gender: Female

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Hundred: North Seisdon and East Cuttlestone and South Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Western
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elenor Scarlet 45
John Scarlet 20
Sofiat Scarlet 15
Eliza Scarlet 13
Mary Scarlet 10
Edward Scarlet 5

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1000; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Wolverhampton; County: Staffordshire; Enumeration District: 11; Folio: 39; Page: 29; Line: 7; GSU roll: 474627.

What do you think?

Dea x

1861 just for info
Name: Thomas Scarlett
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Phobe Scarlett
Gender: Male
Where born: Leominster, Herefordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 103
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Scarlett 43
Phobe Scarlett 45

PHOEBE ALLEN Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 17 NOV 1822 Halesowen, Worcester, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JOSEPH ALLEN Family
Mother: MARY

From IGI. Could be Edward was her son (and born Allen?), and not the son of Thomas. Could do with finding 1861 census to confirm Thomas's age.

Edit, forget this, she would have been too young to be Edward's mother, sorry.

1841 just posting this one for two reasons -location - Ellen/Eleanor from1851

Name: Edward Scarlet
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Hundred: North Seisdon and East Cuttlestone and South Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Western
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elenor Scarlet 45 - not born in county
John Scarlet 20
Sofiat Scarlet 15
Eliza Scarlet 13
Mary Scarlet 10
Edward Scarlet 5 - not born in county

Class: HO107; Piece 1000; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Wolverhampton; County: Staffordshire; Enumeration District: 11; Folio: 39; Page: 29; Line: 12; GSU roll: 474627.

Thanks Mac it looks like that could be the one so this must b a second marriae

Thanks for your replies, do you think Thomas is older than 30 as he would of been 12 when Edward was born