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Well now let's not forget that Flick did the original searching and I built on what she found! Teamwork, that's the watchword around here. ;)

"I assumed that Robert Moore was alive in 1841 (out to sea)"

He didn't marry Frances Sarah Lloyd until 1846, so I'd say so. ;)

I meant the husband of Frances Lloyd Sr (the mother in the 1841 household). The 1841 doesn't show marital status so we can't tell whether she was a widow or a woman whose husband was absent on census night. She reported that she was a widow in 1851. What I was getting at was whether the George Lloyd birth certificate would be a reliable indication of his father's identity. I would guess it was, and the mother wasn't widowed in 1841 yet. Just a guess, and no way of confirming (depending on what the birth cert said).

Unfortunately even the death certificates for the six Mr Lloyds who died in Poplar 1841-1851 might not help. At the time, they rarely stated age or occupation. If the informant was the spouse, that might establish identity. I'd guess at the husband being Thomas rather than William, since that was the name of the eldest son in the 1841 household.

It sounds like they weren't a destitute family, with occupations like shipwright and mariner.

If they're your family ... ;)

I would get the George Lloyd birth cert and the Lloyd+Moore marriage certificate definitely. And tell us what they say!

Name: George Henry Lloyd
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1851
Baptism Date: 21 May 1851
Father's name: Charles Lloyd
Mother's name: Frances Lloyd
Parish or Poor Law Union: Poplar All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets

(birthdate 11th Sept. 1843, fathers occ. Mariner)

Name: Frances Sarah Lloyd
Spouse Name: Robert John Moore
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 22 Jul 1846
Parish: St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich
County: Kent
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: Charles Lloyd
Spouse Father Name: Robert Moore

(both fathers Occs, Shipwright)

Chris :)

Name: John Cater
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Spouse Name: Frances Sarah Moore
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 17 Jul 1861
Parish: All Saints, Poplar
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Cater
Spouse Father Name: Charles Lloyd

(he a widower, her a widow, fathers occ. Shipwright)

Just saw this...

Watcha think of this one?

1841 -- I don't see the household in 1851 (or any individual from it) but I've only done a quick search:

Name: William Dawes
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Where born: Cornwall, England
> occupation: shipwright

Civil Parish: St Mary
Hundred: Scilly Isles
County/Island: Cornwall

William Dawes 35
Elizebeth Dawes 30
Elizebeth Dawes 4
William Dawes 2


There is also this older household in the same location:

William Dawes 65 - farmer
Sarah Dawes 60 - widow in 1851
Richard Dawes 25 - in 1851, unmarried schoolmaster in Probus, Cornwall
Sarah Dawes 25 - with mother in 1851


Dawes (and variants) is definitely a Cornish surname. Maybe it was only William who was really from there.


Name: Richard Dawes
Baptism/Christening Date: 29 Aug 1812
Baptism/Christening Place: Scilly Islands, Cornwall, England
Father's Name: Wm. Dawes
Mother's Name: Sarah
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02200-6
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1596181
Reference Number: p66
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Seems to have been submitted several times -- but there is an extracted record with the same info, spelled Daws, batch no. P02206. In that batch, there is a William Dawes 1805 with same parents. The batch also has a Sally Dawes 1815 daughter of parents Richard and Sally. No marriages found for either set of parents. But the names Richard and William certainly do figure prominently!

Oops! And in one fell swoop, Chris brings my theory crashing down -- the remarriage of Fances Sarah Lloyd Moore.

Possibly:

Deaths Dec 1871
Cater John 52 Poplar 1c 455



Well, maybe I'm doing better on William Dawes. ;)

Marriages Jun 1880 (>99%)
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Banyard Jane Poplar 1c 906
Cater Frances Sarah Poplar 1c 906
Duncan Henry Poplar 1c 906
Newby Alfred Poplar 1c 906

Lol, looks like she married again!, yep, image says Henry Duncan, brother George H, witness)

Good grief!

Possibly she was a wealthy widow and became wealthier each time. ;)


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Urgh. I just went back to my FreeBMD tab and realized the reason I didn't find her third marriage was that I'd searched for Frabces Sarah Cater ... I really do need to get some sleep ...

My name is Graham Dawes
My family tree goes back to Isle of Scilly about 1709
The names you mentioned refer I think to about four generation back and are about a brother of my G G G grandfather John Dawes
William Dawes born 8/12/1805 married Elizabeth Nance in 1833
Three children William John- Elizabeth- Margaret Jane.
However the problem is that they seem to lack imagination with names and all seem to use William, John , Richard they keep coming up after their fathers name.

GRAHAM

This is an OLD thread which you have dug up

If you wish to try to make contact with Victor.........click on his name, and send him a message

Although Victor seemed to lose interest, as he didn't bother to acknowledge the replies on page two of his thread.................

Hello Graham and welcome to the boards.

If you are looking for connections on this site, the best thing to do is to put the names you are researching into the Search Trees box above to see if anyone else has them in their tree.

If you find a connection, you can contact the tree owners. Regards. Cx.