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Francesca
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5 Feb 2011 17:23 |
I am now trying to find information regarding Isaac Churchmans parents. They were Samuel born 1785 Died april 7th 1840 in norfolk and Mary Wing born 1785 died 1861. They were married in the parish church at westacre norfolk on april 10th 1814 and they lived at holme hale norfolk.I am trying to find their parents.Thanks
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FamilyFogey
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12 Dec 2010 16:55 |
You're welcome Francesca!
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Francesca
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12 Dec 2010 14:55 |
cheers alex,looks like thats sorted
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FamilyFogey
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12 Dec 2010 14:46 |
1901 England Census about Mary Churchman Name: Mary Churchman Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Southowram Ecclesiastical parish: Southowram St Anne County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Halifax Sub-registration district: Southowram ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 4 Household Members: Name Age
Mary Churchman 42 Louisa Churchman 16 Clarice Churchman 11
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4118; Folio: 165; Page: 1.
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CHURCHMAN, Mary Head Mother Widow F 46 1865 Worsted Winder Chesterfield Derbyshire CHURCHMAN, Clarice Daughter F 21 1890 Worsted Rover Halifax Yorkshire
RG number: RG14 Piece: 26408 Reference: RG14PN26408 RG78PN1525 RD496 SD2 ED9 SN56 Registration District: Halifax Sub District: Elland Enumeration District: 9 Parish: Elland Address: 11 New St Elland County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Was married for 5 years, had 3 children, 1 died.
Deaths Sep 1940 Churchman Mary J 76 Halifax 9a 1200
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Francesca
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12 Dec 2010 14:43 |
Just had a look on ancestry and mary was living in southowram halifax with a louissa aged 6 and clarice aged 1,no Alfred. Dont know where other children are if thats her. Thanks forlooking forall that alex
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12 Dec 2010 14:40 |
1891 England Census about Mary Churchman Name: Mary Churchman Age: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Whittingham, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Southowram Ecclesiastical parish: St Annes County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Halifax Sub-registration district: Southowram ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age
Mary Churchman 29 (widow) Louisa Churchman 6 (image actually gives her as Brocksopp) Clarice Churchman 1
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3585; Folio 11; Page 15; GSU roll: 6098695.
Births Jun 1877 CHURCHMAN Elizabeth Ann Halifax 9a 426
Births Jun 1880 Churchman Harriet Ann Halifax 9a 412
Deaths Mar 1881 CHURCHMAN William Henry 6 Halifax 9a 307
Deaths Sep 1884 Churchman Martha Ann 28 Halifax 9a 275
Births Jun 1887 Churchman Agnes Mary Halifax 9a 10_
Births Sep 1889 Churchman Clarice Halifax 9a 418
(I think the baptism for Gladys should be Clarice!)
Deaths Dec 1889 Churchman Agnes 2 Halifax 9a 323
Here are the other children in 1891:
1891 England Census about Elizabeth Churchman Name: Elizabeth Churchman Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Rastrick, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Rastrick Ecclesiastical parish: Rastrick St Matthews Town: Rastrick County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Halifax Sub-registration district: Rastrick ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age
Isreal Palmer 57 Mary Ann Palmer 56 Maltilda Palmer 36 Walter William Palmer 21 Elizabeth Churchman 13 Harriet Ann Churchman 11 Willie H Churchman 7
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3580; Folio 83; Page 30; GSU roll: 6098690.
The son Willie H I think is actually Walter:
Births Jun 1883 CHURCHMAN Walter Halifax 9a 416
Marriages Jun 1904 Churchman Walter Henry Halifax 9a 1031
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FamilyFogey
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12 Dec 2010 14:31 |
I suggest you get the marriage certificate to see whether it says he was a widower.
Where did you get the information that his father was Isaac from? As this must have come from somewhere - like a marriage certificate etc.
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12 Dec 2010 14:25 |
Groom's Name: Afred Churchman Groom's Birth Date: Groom's Birthplace: Groom's Age: Bride's Name: Martha Ann Palmer Bride's Birth Date: Bride's Birthplace: Bride's Age: Marriage Date: 10 Feb 1872 Marriage Place: Ashill, Norfolk, England Groom's Father's Name: Isaac Churchman Groom's Mother's Name: Bride's Father's Name: Isrel Palmer Bride's Mother's Name: Groom's Race: Groom's Marital Status: Groom's Previous Wife's Name: Bride's Race: Bride's Marital Status: Bride's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03979-8 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1596157 Reference Number: item 13 p 83
Name: Alfred Churchman Gender: Male Burial Date: 14 May 1890 Burial Place: York Death Date: Death Place: Age: 38 Birth Date: 1852 Birthplace: Occupation: Race: Marital Status: Spouse's Name: Father's Name: Father's Birthplace: Mother's Name: Mother's Birthplace: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B03320-7 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1542109 Reference Number: p99, no789
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FamilyFogey
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12 Dec 2010 14:22 |
Christenings of his children with both wives:
Name: William Henry Churchman Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 02 May 1875 Baptism/Christening Place: Hartshead, York, England Birth Date: 29 Oct 1874 Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Alfred Churchman Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Martha Ann Churchman Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02644-9 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1542089 Reference Number: item 7 p 60
Name: Harriet Ann Churchman Gender: Female Baptism/Christening Date: 28 Aug 1881 Baptism/Christening Place: Southowram, York, England Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Alfred Churchman Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Martha Ann Churchman Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02054-5 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1542109 Reference Number: items 2-3 p 166
Name: Agnes Mary Churchman Gender: Female Baptism/Christening Date: 05 Sep 1888 Baptism/Christening Place: Southowram, York, England Birth Date: 25 Feb 1887 Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Alfred Churchman Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Mary Churchman Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02054-5 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1542109 Reference Number: items 2-3 p 225
Name: Gladys Churchman Gender: Female Baptism/Christening Date: 11 Sep 1889 Baptism/Christening Place: Southowram, York, England Birth Date: 01 Aug 1889 Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Alfred Churchman Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Mary Churchman Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02054-5 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 1542109 Reference Number: items 2-3 p 234
Ahh - found Alfred's christening:
Name: Alfred Churchman Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 30 Jan 1850 Baptism/Christening Place: Swaffham, Norfolk, England Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Isaac Churchman Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Mary Churchman Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03540-7 System Origin: England-EASy Source Film Number: 2299614 Reference Number: item 4
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12 Dec 2010 14:19 |
County Norfolk Place Holme Hale Church St Andrew RegisterNumber 394 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 04 May 1841 Forename Samuel Sex M FatherForename Isaac MotherForename Mary FatherSurname CHURCHMAN MotherSurname CHURCHMAN Abode Holme Hale FatherOccupation Labourer Notes FileNumber 820
County Norfolk Place Holme Hale Church St Andrew RegisterNumber 437 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 21 Apr 1844 Forename William Sex M FatherForename Isaac MotherForename Mary FatherSurname CHURCHMAN MotherSurname CHURCHMAN Abode Holme Hale FatherOccupation Labourer Notes FileNumber 820
County Norfolk Place Holme Hale Church St Andrew RegisterNumber 461 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 05 Jul 1846 Forename Frederic Sex M FatherForename Isaac MotherForename Mary FatherSurname CHURCHMAN MotherSurname CHURCHMAN Abode Holme Hale FatherOccupation Labourer Notes FileNumber 820
No baptism found for Alfred - but I suspect his birth may have come close to his mother's death and perhaps he wasn't baptised due to this?
Or it isn't transcribed on FreeReg or is mistranscribed.
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Francesca
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12 Dec 2010 14:18 |
Haven't gothis marriage cert Alex,was given info by a relative. Didnt think about him being married before but thats possible
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12 Dec 2010 14:17 |
From FreeReg:
County Norfolk Place Holme Hale Church St Andrew RegisterNumber 297 BurialDate 24 Feb 1850 Forename Mary Relationship Rel1MaleForename Rel1FemaleForename Rel1Surname Surname CHURCHMAN Age 29 Abode Holme Hale Notes FileNumber 819
County Norfolk Place Holme Hale Church St Andrew RegisterNumber 488 BurialDate 09 Mar 1875 Forename Isaac Relationship Rel1MaleForename Rel1FemaleForename Rel1Surname Surname CHURCHMAN Age 60 Abode Holme Hale Notes FileNumber 819
County Norfolk Place Holme Hale Church St Andrew RegisterNumber 23 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 07 Jan 1815 Forename Isaac Sex M FatherForename Samuel MotherForename Mary FatherSurname CHURCHMAN MotherSurname CHURCHMAN Abode Holme Hale FatherOccupation Labourer Notes FileNumber 820
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FamilyFogey
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12 Dec 2010 14:13 |
Deaths Mar 1875 Churchman Isaac 60 Swaffham 4b 315
His wife died prior to the 1851 census:
Deaths Mar 1850 CHURCHMAN Mary Swaffham 13 228
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FamilyFogey
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12 Dec 2010 14:11 |
As:
Marriages Mar 1872 CHURCHMAN Alfred Swaffham 4b 569 PALMER Martha Ann Swaffham 4b 569
Deaths Sep 1884 Churchman Martha Ann 28 Halifax 9a 275
Marriages Mar 1885 Brocksopp Mary Jane Halifax 9a 509 Churchman Alfred Halifax 9a 509
If you have his and Mary Jane's marriage cert - does it give him as a widower?
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FamilyFogey
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12 Dec 2010 14:09 |
Do you have him in the censuses with her?
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Francesca
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12 Dec 2010 14:08 |
Possible connection annbut dates dont match. Pretty certain Alfred was married to mary jane brocksop,Alex. Thanks anyway.
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FamilyFogey
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12 Dec 2010 14:07 |
Marriages Jun 1840 BROOKES Mary Swaffham 13 415 CHURCHMAN Isaac Swaffham 13 415 CHURCHMAN James Swaffham 13 415 * CLEMENCE Mary Swaffham 13 415 DYE Deborah Swaffham 13 415 HEYHOE James Swaffham 13 415 HEYHOE John Swaffham 13 415 PALMER Mary Swaffham 13 415
Probably married to one of the Mary's on that page.
1841 England Census about Isaiah Churchman Name: Isaiah Churchman Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1806 Gender: Male Where born: Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Holme Hale Hundred: South Greenhoe County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Street address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Swaffham Sub-registration district: Saham Toney Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age
Mary Dayer 50 Isaiah Churchman 35 Mary Churchman 20 Samuell Churchman 1 MO
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 773; Book: 12; Civil Parish: Holme Hale; County: Norfolk; Enumeration District: 7; Folio: 10; Page: 15; Line: 19; GSU roll: 438860.
Image does say 'Isack'.
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12 Dec 2010 14:02 |
1851 England Census about Alfred Churchman Name: Alfred Churchman Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relation: Son Father's name: Isaac Churchman Gender: M (Male) Where born: Holme Hale, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Holme Hale County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Street address:
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Disability: View image Registration district: Swaffham Sub-registration district: Swaffham ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 8 Household Members: Name Age
Isaac Churchman 36 Samuel Churchman 9 William Churchman 7 Frederick Churchman 4 Alfred Churchman 2 Mary Churchman 63 Robert Churchman 17
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1831; Folio: 398; Page: 3; GSU roll: 207486.
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12 Dec 2010 14:01 |
1861 England Census about Alfred Churchman Name: Alfred Churchman Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relation: Son Father's name: Isaac Churchman Gender: Male Where born: Holme Hale, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Holme Hale County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Swaffham Sub-registration district: Saham Toney ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 106 Household Members: Name Age
Isaac Churchman 46 Samuel Churchman 19 Frederic Churchman 14 Alfred Churchman 12 Mary Churchman 72
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1263; Folio: 136; Page: 18; GSU roll: 542786.
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12 Dec 2010 14:01 |
1881
Robert CHURCHMAN Head M Male 36 Swaffham, Norfolk, England Labourer (Genl) France CHURCHMAN Wife M Female 34 Swaffham, Norfolk, England Robert W. CHURCHMAN Son U Male 16 Swaffham, Norfolk, England Labourer (Genl) Alfred CHURCHMAN Son U Male 14 Swaffham, Norfolk, England Labourer (Genl) Eliza CHURCHMAN Daur U Female 11 Swaffham, Norfolk, England Scholar Eaelina CHURCHMAN Daur U Female 7 Swaffham, Norfolk, England Scholar Mary E. CHURCHMAN Daur U Female 4 Hatfield, York, England Scholar
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling Whitfields Cottages Census Place Conisbrough, York, England Family History Library Film 1342133 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4686 / 10 Page Number 13
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