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l missed the part of explaining Sarah's circumstances at remarrying to William White.
lt makes sense to me

Daniel's parents were catholics from Ireland. His mother had died and his father was still living in Liverpool at this time.
l wonder if Daniel had gone off to relatives in Ireland as no one had been able to find him anywhere else.

Thanks again everyone. l can't express how much this means to finally get somewhere with this.

Best wishes

Pam

Wow Maureen l didn't have the marriage for Elizabeth and Samuel
Thanks so much, now the fog seems to be clearing lol

lt is possible then that the Sarah who married my gt gt grandfather Daniel Logan senior and the Sarah who married William White are one and the same.

l have another family in my tree on my mothers side where the enumerator has listed the sons of the mother and step sons of her husband as son in laws. that is why l kept an open mind on the fact Daniel was listed as a lodger/visitor and not step son to William.

l can't wait til l get the cert now. l think l will send for Sarah and William's too.

Thank you all very much

Kind regards

Pam

Thanks lancashire Ann

Sorry l didn't get back on yesterday but my family came to visit

l will keep my fingers crossed then that the marriage is theirs.
l never use the g.r.o l always use the local register office for certs.
Liverpool is only 10 miles or so away from me. l can only get there sometimes as l'm severley disabled.

Both Daniel and Sarah were living at the same address when they registered the birth of their son Daniel.
He was born August 6th 1851

Thanks for all the help and interest in my post and merry christmas.

Pam

Nice one, Maureen

That would seem to imply that Elizabeth could have been unmarried when Sarah was born, and that 'Samuel 'Mosely' was actually just 'Samuel'

If Sarah was asked for her father's name she may well just have said 'Samuel', leaving the registrar/vicar to draw his own conclusions about the surname...............

I don't know that, Ann - yet. I'm about to apply by post for the first time, so I'll let you know when the cert arrives.

I usually order on line via the GRO, but I'm having problems with their site, so have decided to try the alternative source.

thanks Flick - I'll remember that as I did not know about postage. I haven't actually used it but the Lancs cert office is only just up the road from where I live so it is possible to go in person.

Do the local offices give an actual copy with the participants own signature rather than the BT copy do you know?

Just throwing this in-which you likely have:

IGI
SAMUEL THACKER
Pedigree
Male
Spouse: ELIZABETH MOSLEY
Family
Marriage:
07 JUN 1835 Saint Peter, Bolton Le Moors, Lancashire, England


Maureen

If Daniel abandoned Sarah, she would not have been able re-marry legally, so preumably that would be why she called herself Mosley when she 'married' Mr White

Had Daniel died, there would have been no need for her to do that..........

Ordering by post from Local offices costs £9.00 + postage + SAE

The GRO cost of £9.25 is therefore better value!

Good spot, Ann.................

lt's going to be a long xmas waiting to find out wether or not it is my gt gt grandfather's marriage.
Though l think l will never know what happened to him, he just seemed to vanish.

Regards

Pam

You say you are ordering by post - I hope that does not mean you are paying more than £9.25 which is the price on-line from the GRO site. Liverpool local office is possibly £9 (I know Lancs one is)

looking at the list of names on that record of a marriage in set qtr 1850 and using familysearch pilot

Hankin married Moss, Owens married Knowles, Piercy married Griffiths all on 7/8 Sept at St Peter's, leaving the names Mosley & Lyon

There is NO match for a Daniel Lyon on family search which seems to me to indicate that one of the names Lyon/Logan is wrong

l am sending for it after xmas not trusting to the xmas post. l only saw it 2 days ago on family search.
ln my haste l thought if there was a Sarah with parents Samuel and Elizabeth on the 1841 l just thought it could be a start on her while waiting. l never thought it would be so much trouble as it is turning out to be.

l will let you both know wether or not it turns out to be the right marriage

Thanks again

Pam

Yes l have Daniel juniors birth cert
His parents were living at the same address
l thought Daniel may have registered his son while drunk!
l never thought of them living apart when he was born.

you could try the sept qtr one for Sarah Mosely - the registrar could have misheard the name and written it as Daniel Lyon (one of the grooms in the page list) - or he misread his own writing when copying for the gro index Logan - Lyon - v similar in old style handwriting

Hi lancashireAnn

l could only find the one marriage before in 1857 though Sarah states she was born 1828 on census

l wondered why l couldn't find the marriage on freebmd maybe it's wrongly transcribd on the familysearch site

l have searched for their marriage for 5 years without luck and thought l had hit the jackpot when l saw that one.

Oh well back to the drawing board l suppose.

Thanks for your help both of you

Kind regards

Pam

I wonder if the answer to the Daniel Logan age 10 in 1861 is possibly from what you have put in a postem for his birth in 1851. Do you have the certificates

postem
This is the same person as 20 339 Daniel was registered by each parent. Daniel and Sarah formerly Moseley

this is usually the case where the parents are not married
reg Sep qtr 1851 - he would only have been 9yrs old when the census was taken

edit
If he was born at the beginning of march & not reg until April he would have been 10 on 1861 - sorry

Do you have the birth cert for Daniel born 1851?

Is the postem on freebmd yours Pam?

Why, if they really were married, would both parents register the birth separately?

Thanks Flick and lancashireAnn for your interest

Maybe they are not one and the same person after all.

lt just seemed such a coincidence that my gt gt grandfathers wife had the same maiden name as the woman his son lived with as a lodger/visitor on the 1861.

Pam