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Tempest and Jansmith
Thank you both for all the extra information.
That certainly looks like the family in 1871,so it gives me the parents names and more about the origins of the family.
It seems that Max snr only became a publican through his wife,Harriet..
A lot seems to tie in now.
Max junior married a dancer,a 'Tiller Girl'...now I know they probably met as the pub was in the Haymarket where the theatres are.
Also he became a sort of publican...had the club at \Battersea Funfair.and several of the fair rides too.
Could be that if his fgrandather was a traveller.maybe connected to fairs??
You have given me so much to go on.
Thank you very much
Lara

and a possible for Harriet, again a year before she married Max

1881 census - household transcription
Person: RUDLAND, Harriett
Address: 469, The Crown, Oxford St, St Giles In The Fields And St George Bloomsbury

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

RUDLAND, John Head Married M 56 1825 Publican (3 Men 2 Women) Marylebone Middlesex
RUDLAND, Harriett Wife Married F 54 1827 Cheddington Kent
RUDLAND, Harriett Daughter Single F 21 1860 Barmaid Paddington Middlesex
TIGGARD, Ada Servant Single F 20 1861 Barmaid Pimlico Middlesex
EBBS, Charles T Servant Single M 24 1857 Barman St Giles Middlesex
LENTON, Harriett Servant Single F 15 1866 Domestic Servant Paddington Middlesex

I think this could be Max on 1881 census a year before he married Harriet

Person: MYERS, Max
Address: 522, Oxford St, St Giles In The Fields And St George Bloomsbury

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

KIESS, Daniel Head Married M 43 1838 Watch & Clock Maker Employing 6 Watch & 7 Clock Makers 1 Clerk Baden (Foreign) Germany
KIESS, Primer Wife Married F 35 1846 Baden (Foreign) Germany
KIESS, Ada Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar Bloomsbury Middlesex
KIESS, Emily Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar Bloomsbury Middlesex
KIESS, Clara Daughter Single F 1 1880 Bloomsbury Middlesex
NEW, Charles Single M 42 1839 Watch Maker ?wurtenburg B S Germany
KIESS, Carl Brother Single M 21 1860 Watch Maker ?wurtenburg B S Germany
MYERS, Max Clerk Single M 34 1847 Clerk ?wurtenburg B S Germany
KIESS, Andrew C Cousin Single M 30 1851 Watch Maker Bloomsbury Middlesex
KIESS, Leopold Brother Single M 25 1856 Clock Maker Baden Germany
FALLER, Andreas Single M 39 1842 Clock Maker Baden (Foreign) Germany
MAHLER, Leo Single M 20 1861 Clock Maker Baden Germany
WHALE, Emma Servant Single F 16 1865 Clock Maker Lambeth Surrey

Thanks Tempest, Do you think 1871 census and marriage info are the same family?

looking at the 1882 marriage cert I think witnesses were

T.C Rudland (could be J.C or F.C)
Alice Myers
Julius Myers
Fanny Myers (looks a bit like Jenny but the J is different from other J on page)

Max is a Jeweller, address is 44 Arthur Road, father's occupation is traveller
Harriet's address 55 New Oxford Street, father's occupation is publican

looked at the original of the 1871 census names seem transcribed correctly

1871 census - household transcription
Person: MYERS, Morris
Address: College St, Great, Pancras

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

MYERS, Morris Head M 48 1823 Germany (it actually says Magdeburg Prussia)
MYERS, Marianne Wife F 45 1826 Germany (again Magdeburg Prussia)
MYERS, Mase Son M 14 1857 Germany (again Magdeburg Prussia)
MYERS, Julius Son M 12 1859 Germany (Magdeburg Prussia)
MYERS, Alice Daughter F 8 1863 Middlesex St Pancras
MYERS, Fanny Daughter F 4 1867 Middlesex Hackney

just looked at marriage cert of 1882 above and witnesses were Alice and Jenny Myers and another Myers could be Julius above and Jenny could be Fanny ! so could be the right family if someone could check images for me and see what you think please

1871 census?????? wonder if this might be the family
Name: Morris Myers
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Marianne Myers
Gender: Male
Where born: Magdeburg, Prussia
[Preußen, Magdebury]
Civil Parish: St Pancras


Name: Marianne Myers
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Morris Myers
Gender: Female
Where born: Preußen, Magdebury
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Camden Town

Household Members:
Name Age
Morris Myers 48
Marianne Myers 45
Mase Myers 14*****if someone could check the image i think this might be Max?
Julius Myers 12
Alice Myers 8
Fanny Myers 4

Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Camden Town

His marriage cert is on Ancestry to Harriet
Name: Max Myers
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Spouse Name: Harriet Rudland
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 20 Mar 1882
Parish: St Mark, Tollington Park
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Morris Myers
Spouse Father Name: John Cawood Rudland

will index
Max Myers of the Blackhorse 46 Haymarket Middlesex died 12th February 1916
Probate to May Eleanor Myers widow Effects £1027.0s.8d

Tempest
Thank you very much for all the extra information.
I have plenty to get my teeth into now!!
Doubt if I will be able to find Max senr birth but going to try family search etc..
Thank you for your help
Lara

a bit more digging about Max

1891 census - household transcription
Person: MYERS, Max
Address: 143, Whitfield Street, St Pancras, London

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

MYERS, Max Head Married M 34 1857 Licensed Victualler Prussia
MYERS, Harriet Wife Married F 31 1860 Paddington London
MYERS, Alice S Daughter F 8 1883 Holloway London
BROCKETT, Sophia Servant Single F 19 1872 Barmaid Kingston Surrey
KNATT, Mary Servant Single F 17 1874 Servant Domestic St Pancras London

possible marriage of Max Senior and May

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Max Myers Name: Max Myers
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Westminster (1870-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 761

on the same page is

Name: May Eleanor Hayward
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Westminster (1870-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 761

Max Senior and hist first wife on 1901 census
Person: MYERS, Max
Address: 132, (The Crown & Sceptre), Brompton Road, Kensington

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

MYERS, Max Head Married M 44 1857 Licensed Victualler Germany British Subject
MYERS, Harriet Wife Married F 41 1860 Paddington London
MYERS, Alice Lilian Daughter Single F 18 1883 Holloway London
MYERS, Harold Rudland Son Single M 8 1893 St Pancras London
HOOD, Ada E Servant Single F 24 1877 Barmaid King's Cross London
HECKINBOTTOM, Cassie Servant Single F 24 1877 Barmaid Margate Kent
PATON, Nina Servant Single F 17 1884 Housemaid Domestic Kentish Town London

Tempest
Thank you..just been and looked.So she wasn't English either..
I found Max senior's death in 1916, wonder if May Eleanor had to become British to take over the Public House?
Lara
Just noticed it says re admission to British Nationality?
I found her birth...1886 Chatham Kent.
Could she have changed citizenship on marriage?

llara, I just found this re May Eleanor Myers whilst looking for more on the address

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/29607/pages/5491/page.pdf

No problem.

The enumerators book and list are really useful if you are trying to see if other members of the family/ future spouses are living nearby or if there are other streets mentioned to locate a now demolished house, (or if you're just plain nosey like me lol)

x

Oh, I feel stupid now!! Have not even noticed this bit at the top of the image where you can see the enumerators books. I was only looking at the actual scanned image and not the bit of the page above that. Still, you learn something new every day!!.

Thanks again.

Kath. x

no I'm using FMP x

Ahhh, I see now. You are using Ancestry, which I haven't used before for the 1911 census. I was using Findmypast and could not find this information on there. Thanks.

Kath. x