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ordering the death cert would allow you to see who registered the death and their relationship to her, could be interesting!

you might want to look into ordering copies of the probate/ administration, they cost £5 and would hopefully give details of where Matilda was living when her parents died

this thread will help

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/tips_board/thread/1236176

also it might be interesting to see what happened to Matilda Ford's estate on her death, as she died after 1941 this wouldn't be online, you would need to request a search at a probate office or visit a probate office to find out

I might just do that, I think my mum might need to see it in writing as she is so surprised plus I have been trying to sort out that side for a while now and it just ties up all the loose ends!

Many thanks

So Matilda recieved over a £1000 in 1941 lot of money back then wonder what she did with it? if she was'nt with Samuel could be worth getting her death cert

jax

Second marriage??

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Samuel F Ford
Name: Samuel F Ford
Spouse Surname: Jewell (nelly R)
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1948
Registration district: Wokingham
Registration county (inferred): Berkshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 535

Andy

just looked Matilda's parents up on 1911 census

and where were they living?

Person: VIVIAN, Matilda
Address: 40 Winstanley Road Battersea S W

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

VIVIAN, Arthur Francis Head Married F 47 1864 Rag Merchant Chersea Middlesex
VIVIAN, Matilda Wife Married 28 years F 43 1868 Draper Westminster
MANT, Jessie Niece Single F 20 1891 Servant Domestic Chelsea
HUNT, Jessie Visitor Single F 31 1880 Laundry Maid Battersea Surrey

on the enumerators list number 40 Winstanley Road is a drapers shop

OMG we are shocked to find out about our family history. My mum cannot believe it but all the information seems to be accurate. Thank you so much to everyone for helping us - we thought we had a bit of a boring history but this has shaken it right up:)

thank you
Nic

She died in 1945 so no need for divorce. There is a marriage for a Samuel F Ford in wokingham in 1948 could that be him?

I see your grandfather married in Wokingham too in 1940 so they all lived in the same area

jax

also her mother also called Matilda

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941
about Matilda Vivian Name: Matilda Vivian
Probate Date: 1 Apr 1939
Death Date: 1 Oct 1938
Death Place: Berkshire, England
Registry: London

Vivian Matilda of Coventry Barkham ride Wokingham Berkshire (wife of Arthur Francis Vivian) died 1 October 1938 Administration London 1 April to the said Arthur Francis Vivian retired general dealer and Matilda Ann Ford (wife of Samuel Frederick Ford) effects £9181 7s 3d

I have just spoken to my mum and she said that Samuel Ford remarried in about 1950 to a lady from Sunderland. So if Matilda did not die there might be a divorce somewhere.

So it looks like she was still around then in her 60s at least

The 1945 death looks likely then

jax

hang on on ancestry wills and probate there's an entry for a Arthur Francis Vivian, same name as Matilda's father found on the marriage bans

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941
about Arthur Francis Vivian Name: Arthur Francis Vivian
Probate Date: 13 Jun 1941
Death Date: 24 Feb 1941
Death Place: Berkshire, England
Registry: Llandudno

Vivian, Arthur Francis of Coventry Barkham Ride Finchampstead Berkshire died 24 Feb 1941 admin is granted to Matilda Ann Ford wife of Samuel Frederick Ford effects £1172 17s 9d

I cannot see any births for Ford/Vivian so if a sister had been born she would have been registered unless it was a stillborn birth?

jax

someone who has saved the birth record and baptism on ancestry also saved this death record, the year of birth is correct but date of birth is out, as is the death date you gave but????

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Matilda Ford Name: Matilda Ford
Birth Date: 13 Dec 1882
Death Registration Month/Year: 1982
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 15
Page: 1176

Thank you very much for your info everyone.
Maybe you are right Jax. Unfortunately everyone apart from my mum has died now and maybe I will never find out.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Matilda Ann Vivian Name: Matilda Ann Vivian
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Spouse Name: Samuel Frederick Ford
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 05 Jun 1909
Parish: St Peter, Battersea
County: Surrey
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: Arthur Francis Vivian
Spouse Father Name: Frederick Ford

Hi Jax, (sorry)

I was thinking something along the same lines, family stories to cover tracks and all that...

Andy

Matilda's baptism

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Matilda Annie Vivian Name: Matilda Annie Vivian
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1884
Baptism Date: 22 Aug 1884
Father's name: Arthur Francis Vivian
Mother's name: Matilda Vivian
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St Mary
Borough: Wandsworth


and GRO birth record


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Matilda Ann Vivian Name: Matilda Ann Vivian
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Wandsworth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 610

Looks interesting Andy

Maybe she just uped and left and that was what your grandfather was told? So if there was a sister you dont know who she was?

jax

I have just asked my mum and she does not know, she only remembers my grandad saying that she died giving birth. But I don't understand why I cannot find a death certificate for her.

I know its 1945 but this is coreect age......

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Matilda A Ford
Name: Matilda A Ford
Death Registration Month/Year: 1945
Age at death (estimated): 61
Registration district: Wokingham
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 373

Andy