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locate descendants of Michael and Jane-Ann Carroll

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Bree63

Bree63 Report 5 Jan 2011 18:39

Erinbrobragh 1916 i found county Louth in the 1871 census.
Glitter baby looked again at 1901 census for Jane Kelly states born in Grosmont but my Jane was born in Egremont,so maybe Jane was married to Daniel Cullen ?

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 4 Jan 2011 20:53

Bridie...Whare did you find Michaels place of Birth to be the Co Louth..? States Green Ore on 1911 Census...
I cannot access the original but I would be thinking Gweedore..in the Co Donegal..?
Ignore Gweedore..Found Greenore...Dundalk Co Louth...

Bree63

Bree63 Report 4 Jan 2011 20:18

Hi Eringobragh 1916 sorry i have no information ,on Michael's first wife,or whether they had any children.

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 4 Jan 2011 18:44

Bridie..Was Michael married to Margaret in Ireland or Cumb.....Were there any children..?

Bree63

Bree63 Report 4 Jan 2011 18:11

1881 census names correspond with names in my family,Michael from County Louth in Ireland not county Cork,now have marriage for Jane Ostle Carroll,and address,census result ,marriage for George Stratton Carroll,family rumour is he had a son Cyril now confirmed,census 1901 correspond with family names,Christina's birth and marriage ,1911 free census for Carroll, not sure if my family,other 1911 census i think is my family,1911 for Cartner i think will be mine census,and marriage details,1911 census for Kelly not sure,marriage for Gertrude Evelyn will be as i know someone was married to a guy called Marshall,marriage for John Thomas coul be,i believe someone called Ellis in thefamily died in an accident.yes could be his children,Cartner births and marriages could be my family,mother-in-law was Christina Stratten married to George .once more cheers everyone.

Bree63

Bree63 Report 4 Jan 2011 17:37

Eringobragh 1916 Michael Carroll was a widower when he married Jane Ann ,he is on the 1871 census married to a woman called Margaret,i think it will be the same Michael.thanks again all my helpers.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Jan 2011 16:01

Marriages Jun 1874 (>99%)
Carrol Michael Whitehaven 10b 1099
Stratton Jane Ann Whitehaven 10b 1099

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 4 Jan 2011 15:56

Bridie....I realise you are looking for descendants of Michael and Jane but Michael should show on the 1871 Census as he states he knew Peter McEvoy for some 17/18 years...most of the Irish influx into the area was from the very late 60's onwards...might be worthwhile checking out ...

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 4 Jan 2011 15:43

Just seen your message...Thank the Wee Man for that ...thought we'd be chasing up into Scotland...!!

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 4 Jan 2011 15:30

Wish Bridie would come back and sort some of these out...!!
Looked at the "Ostle" 2nd name ..probaly surname carried through...wish I hadn't...hundreds of them.....!!! Wonder if the Christiana was an "Ostle" before becoming a Stratton...mmmm

Yes...!!
Christian Ostle married George "Stration"...Cockermouth Reg June 1850...V 25 p.99

Bree63

Bree63 Report 4 Jan 2011 15:24

thanks everyone for all the information much appreciated,Eringobragh 1916
Jane Ann's surname varies Stratton,Strattan, or Stratten,not Strachan.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Jan 2011 15:00

The mother in law from the 1901 census... ???


1861 England Census
about Christiana Stratten
Name: Christiana Stratten
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George Stratten
Gender: Female
Where born: Maryport, Cumberland, England

Civil Parish: Egremont
Ecclesiastical parish: Egremont
Town: Egremont
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Whitehaven
Sub-registration district: Egremont
ED, institution, or vessel: 4g
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 137
Household Members:
Name Age
George Stratten 39
Christiana Stratten 30
Elizabeth Stratten 9
Jane Anne Stratten 8 <<<<
Esther Stratten 6
Thomas Stratten 3
Mary Stratten 1

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 4 Jan 2011 14:50

Bridie...Was Jane Ann a Strachan or a Stratton...?
Just a bit I found... Address for Michael in 1875 (Witness at Inquest)

10th August 1875
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Fatal Mining Accident at Egremont
Yesterday (Wednesday) an adjourned inquest was held at the house of Mr. H. L. Ellis, Globe Hotel, Egremont, touching the death of Peter McAvoy, iron ore miner, aged 31 years, who lived in Robert's Lane, in that town, and who came by his death by a fall from the roof of the place in which he was working on the 19th inst. At the opening of the inquest last week, Michael Carroll, Bridge Buildings, Egremont, iron ore miner, said he had known deceased for 17 or 18 years, and he identified the body as that of deceased.

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 4 Jan 2011 14:36

Bridie....Michael married Jane A.Stratton June 1874 Reg.Whitehaven....
Another "Esther Stratton" married John Hays...living Egremont 1881...
Can see a marriage for John Hays Sept.1876 W.Haven but no corresponding Stratton

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John HAYS Head M Male 34 Ireland Stationery Engine Driver
Esther HAYS Wife M Female 26 Egremont, Cumberland, England
Ann HAYS Daur Female 2 Egremont, Cumberland, England
George HAYS Son Male 3 m Egremont, Cumberland, England
Christian STRATTON Sister In Law U Female 15 Egremont, Cumberland, England Domestic General Servant
Mary BAYNES Lodger U Female 29 Manchester, Lancashire, England Teacher Educational Dep
Margaret LEDDY Lodger U Female 24 London, London, Middlesex, England Teacher Educational Dep


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Source Information:
Dwelling East Road
Census Place Egremont, Cumberland, England
Family History Library Film 1342252
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5193 / 59
Page Number 27

LiverBird1

LiverBird1 Report 4 Jan 2011 14:31

poss marr for James

Marriages Mar 1918 (>99%)
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Cartner James Henderson Whitehaven 10b 1227
Henderson Esther Cartner Whitehaven 10b 12

poss child

Births Mar 1931 (>99%)
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Cartner Moreen Henderson Whitehaven 10b 997


poss marr for Joseph

Marriages Jun 1927 (99%)
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CARTNER Joseph Mason Whitehaven 10b 1371

Marriages Jun 1927 (99%)
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Mason Ethel Cartner Whitehaven 10b 1*71

LiverBird1

LiverBird1 Report 4 Jan 2011 14:21

poss marriage for Gertrude Evelyn Ellis??

Marriages Mar 1931 (>99%)
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Ellis Gertrude E Marshall Whitehaven 10b 949
Marshall James Ellis Whitehaven 10b 949


poss marriage for John Thomas Ellis??

Marriages Sep 1930 (>99%)
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Burns Sarah M Ellis Whitehaven 10b 1437
Ellis John T Burns Whitehaven 10b 1437

poss children

Births Sep 1931 (>99%)
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Ellis John D Burns Whitehaven 10b 992

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Births Dec 1933 (>99%)
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ELLIS Evelyn M Burns Whitehaven 10b 822

LiverBird1

LiverBird1 Report 4 Jan 2011 14:17

1911??

HOUSEHOLD KELLY JUN PETER M 1899 12 Cockermouth Cumberland

HOUSEHOLD KELLY BRIDGET F 1886 25 Cockermouth Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD KELLY ELLEN F 1876 35 Cockermouth Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD KELLY JANE F 1848 63 Cockermouth Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD KELLY PETER M 1851 60 Cockermouth Cumberland

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Jan 2011 14:14

Looking closer at the 1911 census i gave you, Christopher Ellis is actually Christina Ellis, Michael's married daughter............

Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
CARROLL Christina Whitehaven 10b 1139
Ellis Edward Whitehaven 10b 1139

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 4 Jan 2011 14:02

1911 ?
CARTNER, James Thompson Head Married M 42 1869 Stationary Engineman Cumberland Egremont VIEW
CARTNER, Elizabeth Ann Wife Married
11 years F 34 1877 Cumberland Egremont VIEW
CARTNER, Elizabeth Daughter F 10 1901 School Cumberland Egremont VIEW
CARTNER, Joseph Son M 7 1904 Cumberland Egremont VIEW
CARTNER, James Son M 6 1905 Cumberland Egremont VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
31514 Reference:
RG14PN31514 RG78PN1810 RD577 SD3 ED6 SN230

Registration District:
Whitehaven Sub District:
Egremont Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Egremont

Address:
17 North Road Egremont Cumbd



Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)
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Carroll Elizabeth Ann Whitehaven 10b 1161
Cartner James Thompson Whitehaven 10b 1161
Dawson Margaret Hannah Whitehaven 10b 1161
Fitzgerald Lawerence Whitehaven 10b 1161

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 4 Jan 2011 14:01


1911 census - household transcription
Person: CARROLL, Jane Ann
Address: 10 Church Street Egremont Cumberland


CARROLL, Michael Head Married
37 years M 75 1836 No Occupation Green Ore Ireland VIEW
CARROLL, Jane Ann Wife Married F 58 1853 House Keeper Whitehaven VIEW
CARROLL, James Son Single M 26 1885 Laboeror In Mines Below Ground Egrenmont VIEW
CARROLL, Thomas Son Single M 20 1891 Laberor In Miners Below Ground Egrenmont VIEW
ELLIS, Edaward Boarder Married
9 years M 37 1874 Iron Ore Miner At Face County Wicklow Ireland VIEW
ELLIS, Christopher Boarder F 28 1883 Egremont VIEW
ELLIS, Gertrude Evelyn Daughter F 9 1902 School Egremont VIEW
ELLIS, John Thomas Son M 6 1905 School Egremont VIEW
ELLIS, Edward Son M 3 1908 Egremont VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
31515 Reference:
RG14PN31515 RG78PN1810 RD577 SD3 ED7 SN357

Registration District:
Whitehaven Sub District:
Egremont Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Egremont

Address:
10 Church Street Egremont Cumberland County:
Cumberland
(8 children born, 7 living, 1 had died.)