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On looking at WWI attestation records at the CEF site, one does see older men like that -- he would only have been 37ish when the war began. My gr-uncle was 34 when he was killed, 3 weeks before the war ended.

Re building in 1906 -- I don't think it was so much a matter of building then, as his skills as a railway engineer maybe being in demand, with the great railway links that had been built by then, across the country. The Last Spike was driven, connecting the eastern and western rails in British Columbia, in 1885.

A little railway history:

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0006655

The passenger record might give details of his actual destination -- any FMP subscribers around, who would take a look?

" I'm still not totally sure who her mother was. "..................

That's easily solved.

I'll bet the birth cert for Eva M Sellers has Doris (nee Sharp ) as her mother.

You're welcome.

Thank you very much for the help, all this was new info just 2 days ago, did you find any possible death for William Janey? I will add every thing onto GR in the next few days.

I also have another tricky and sad mystery to solve on my husbands side, that i will post tomorrow.
Bernice

On the Subject of Mary, I think you might be right. My father was born in 1926 to Irene, and Mary was I beleive a little younger than him making the 1931 date about right. I'm still not totally sure who her mother was,though it doesn't seem to fit with Evelyn.

On William, well done on finding his passage- I couldn't.He was born around 1877, so would he have been eligible for WW1? his grandson Frank died in the battle of loos and my grandfather was a prisoner from his 18th birthday til the end.I'm certain the family never heard from him again- any idea what were they building around 1906?

Are you in touch with the person who has William Sharpe 1976 (oops, 1876) Lincolnshire in their tree here at GR? Not that there weren't more than one.

Also, you don't have him in your tree, and it would certainly be wise to do that. In fact, I would put him in your tree as both Sharp (as registered at birth) and Sharpe -- just pretend he's two different children of the same parents. That way, anyone who searches trees by either spelling will find you.


I like Mike's theory about Eva M Sellers -- can't find a later trace, exept for a maybe unlikely marriage in1970 in Yorkshire.

... No, maybe not so unlikely -- the Sharpe-Sellers couple married in Sculcoates. So this could be the father's second marriage:

Name: William B Sellers
Spouse: Doris Greenfield
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1933
Registration district: Sculcoates
Registration county (inferred): Yorkshire - East Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 557

There's also a marriage for the name William B Sellers in 1938 in Wakefield.

There's this one ( maybe her middle name was Mary )

Births Mar 1928 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sellers Eva M - Sharpe - Bourne 7a 569

This could possibly be Doris' marriage and death but there is no birth for Mary Sellers.


Marriages Jun 1927 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sellers William B - Sharpe - Sculcoates 9d 499
Sharpe Doris - Sellers - Sculcoates 9d 499

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Deaths Sep 1929
Sellers Doris - 28 - Grantham 7a 433 ........ (right age)

................Colsterworth comes under Grantham

Are you sure the daughter was Mary, and can you give best guess for year of birth?
Thanks

Criss cross. ;)

My family settled in southwestern Ontario. The west would have been an obvious choice for a single man, though -- loads of railway construction just a little earlier, and lots of railway business.

And I meant to scoff at your weather comments. ;) Here in my bit of Ontario, we've barely had a dusting of snow so far this year! But yes, the west a century ago would have been a bit harder.

You need to set those godparents to work! It's easy to imagine that if he stayed in Canada, he did start another family.

There are 9 Sharpes in Brandon phone listings at present -- you could always give them a try:

http://www.whitepages.ca/dir/brandon-manitoba/sharpe

I don't subscribe to FMP, but maybe someone who does will provide the details of that passenger record.


Just to clarify -- I'd be pretty confident the 1911 census record is your William. If you got his English birth cert to verify his birthdate, you could confirm -- the Cdn census helpfully provides the full birth date provided by the individual.

It's the link to the 1901 census record I think is bogus. The 1911 record says he immigrated in 1906, so he could hardly have been in the 1901 census ... with a different date and place of birth and occupation.

http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

No death more than 70 years ago (the privacy cutoff date) to match him.

Only one hypothetically possible (by age and middle name) marriage up to 1930:

GROOM'S LAST NAME: SHARPE
GROOM'S GIVEN NAMES: WILLIAM
BRIDE'S LAST NAME: REOCH
BRIDE'S GIVEN NAMES: ELLEN CUNNINGHAM NANTON
DATE OF MARRIAGE: 22/12/1923
PLACE OF MARRIAGE: WPG
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1923,050097


Automatedgenealogy doesn't have the 1916 Western Canada census yet; Ancestry.ca does but I don't have a sub there. I don't find a good match for him, on a free search.

It could be that Brandon or even Manitoba wasn't his place of residence in 1911; it may have been a stopover on the railway where he happened to be on census night.

I don't see him in the CEF in WWI:

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php

or among WWI casualties:

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/virtualmem

Three people have surname Sharpe born in Manitoba in the 1920s here in their trees at GR. It wcould be worth inquiring. Two mention Minnedosa, and I did see a marrige of a female share there in 1883 at the vital stats site, so those births may belong to a different clan.


http://www.findmypast.co.uk/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action?redef=0

SHARPE W C 1878 M 1906 Liverpool Canada Halifax

I would think.

Janey-I nearly fell over backwards then, Ive just returned from the Caribbean after an Xmas meet up with my kids godparents, who emigrated to Canada a decade ago- guess where ? Brandon Manitoba!
If your relations went out to do the same thing on the railways where in Canada would they have gone, assuming the info isn;t correct?

automatedgenealogy links that census record to a 1901 record in Winnipeg:

http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/uidlinks/Links.jsp?uid=150573561

(I forgot to mention the 1911 record was in Brandon, Manitoba.)

Sharpe William Male Lodger Single DOB Sep 2 1877
23

http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=20741&highlight=19

I think the link is false. The data for that William are:

born Ireland, immigrated 1899, stonemason.

But it looks like someone has contributed that link to the site. I'm not sure how one would go about finding that out. (I've contributed links, but never tried to track one back.)


I think we cross-posted, and you hadn't seen my first post.

I'm still looking into Cdn records to see what more might be found.

Wow! thanks you guys, very impressive.
The distant cousin who contacted me says "Evelyn married Oliver Drakard Gilbert in 1926 at Bourne and had children Gerald 1928 and twins Christine and Noel in 1933". So I am now assuming Doris is the sister who was killed, and who might have been Mary's mother.

Apparently, in an earlier census William is shown but then disappears sometime after the youngest daughter is born.The Canada story is family legend, so I guess there may always be another story to his disappearance. I have done a bit of research on Brits going out to Canada at that time. Many Chinese went and died of cold and blasting. William is I beleive supposed to have worked on the local railway, and it was the time of the general depression, so I guess its possible he may have gone , perhaps with a misspelt name.I guess we may never know what happened to him.Howver in 2 days I have discovered a family I never knew existed. My gmother Irene died before I knew her, so its just great to find out anything, Thanks

I may have him in the 1911 Cdn census!

http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=26477

This takes you directly to the "split view" -- free access -- showing both the transcript and the original census image.

Sharpe William Male Boarder Single Sep 1876 34

The image says:

born in England, immigrated 1906, occupation *Engineer*.

The household seems to be a large boarding house.

(My gr-grfather immigrated to Ontario with wife and kids a couple of years later -- also a railway worker. I think there were likely a lot of opportunities here for railway occupations.)

Mary born
Registration district: Bourne

So Mary born just somewhere in Lincolnshire?

Not Doris

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Marriages Dec 1928

Sharpe Mary E - Wheatley Boston 7a 1065
WHEATLEY George - SHARPE Boston 7a 1065

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Mary Wheatley
Mother's Maiden Surname: Sharpe
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1931
Registration district: Bourne
Registration county: Leicestershire, Lincolnshire, Rutland
Volume Number: 7a
Page Number: 547

And no obvious Evelyn Gilbert death.

??????????? (but no Mary born)

Marriages Jun 1926

Gilbert Oliver D - Sharpe Bourne 7a 932
Sharpe Evelyn -Gilbert Bourne 7a 932