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Googled and found this - you could try contacting the Parish Priest:

ST CATHERINE OF SIENA, CITY CENTRE
Bristol Street
Birmingham
B5 7BE
Tel: 0121 622 4049

The Parish Priest:
Fr. Jim Fleming

HI again. Potty, is there another way i could get details from St.Catherines,.
Thanks flick for replying

I would think a baptism would be the best way to go - you have the date and church from the Boys Home details. St Catherine's Birmingham does seem to have a website but only a blank page is coming up:

http://stcatherinesbirmingham.org.uk/

I doubt that he would have been entitled to vote, and even if he was, old ER's are searched by address only

Hi. Since my last post, the home where John Campbell resided has given me more details:
John Campbell born 20 Dec 1889
Admitted toSt.Pauls Home for Boys, Coleshill 2 Dec 1898
from Birmingham Workhouse via Birmingham Guardians
Reason for admission: desertion by father
Baptised at. Catherines, Birmingham 5 Jan 1890
Confirmation 24 May 1899
Discharged from St.Pauls to St.Vincents Home for Working Boys on 19 Dec 1903
Discharged from St.Vincents on 15 Aug 1905.
I have been in contact with Birmingham Register 0ffice, & they have no John Campbell on the register.
Do you know if the the Workhouse would have details of his birth (certificate)?
Could i find out from the electoral roll where he was living between 1905 &1911?
Thank you...

Yes, it certainly looks that way, as i can't find any connection between them & Scotland.

Can I just suggest that if John's father's name was Hugh there is quite a stong possibility that they were originally Irish Campbells rather that Scottish?

After doing a bit of enquiry, i have since learnt that Lawrence was a bit of a 'rover' meaning he was a traveller, so i reckon he may of been out of the country when the 1901, 1911 censuses were done.
I have been told they were brothers.
Anyway, i will keep on trying - maybe the details which you have given me about Hugh Campbell are connected to him in some way.

This is the only Ellen aged 40 that I can see in Birmingham

Name: Ellen Campbell
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Martin Campbell
Gender: Female
Where born: Macclesfield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 142
Household Members: Name Age
Martin Campbell 70
Ellen Campbell 40
Annie Campbell 37
Jack Campbell 34
Bridget Tierney 66
Nellie Tierney 16
George Smith 13

1901 - John H has wrong parents?

Name: John H Campbell
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's name: Robert M Campbell
Mother's name: Eliza Campbell
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

There is an Ellen Campbell aged 40 on the 1901 census in Birmingham but I dont have a sub to see the full record.

There is also a John H Campbell on the 1901 in Brum but again you will need someone with full access to check out these households and see if there is any relationship.

Doh, didn't think to check an alternate spelling for the christian name!!!

There was this one??

Births Sep 1884 (>99%)
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Campbell Laurence Birmingham 6d 67


Dea x

Have you tracked the rest of the family? I can't seem to find Lawrence after the 1891 census.

I can't find a birth registration for Lawrence Campbell but there is a registration for Male Campbell in Birmingham registration district in 1884 so perhaps that's him. But then I can't see him in either 1901 or 1911.

How did you make the link between Lawrence and John?

I do know how frustrating this must be for you. I had similar problems with a 2x gt grandmother Charlotte who I finally tracked down after a couple of years. Turns out she had been registered as Maria but married under the name Charlotte and didn't appear on any census under either Maria or Charlotte with her parents. In 1881 she was Eliza (I have no idea why!!) with parents, 1891 in an orphanage (both parents dead by then) as Maria and I still can't find her in 1901.

Do you know if any of the boys were in the military? That's how I made the link with my family - through the military records of one of the witnesses at the marriage who had the same name as the father named on the marriage certificate. He turned out to be her brother.

I have to go off and get some cleaning done and cook supper.

Good luck.

thanks for all your help

I contacted the home, but they have no records. I think i will go through all the john campbells on the 1901/1911 censuses, but i think maybe that Hugh was his orginal name, but changed it for reasons unknown.
Thank you for your help

Thanks Diane but unfortunately, the address on marriage cert does not throw up anything useful on 1911..

Sorry,

Dea x

The IGI used to have some Warwickshire records but I've had a look and can't seem to find them.

What would be interesting would be to see if you could find records of the Children's Home from the 1901 census and see if the parents of that John Campbell are mentioned.

Cherry Blossom. I wonder if looking on church registers would help.

I did wonder whether Hugh/Hugh and John were the same person but then I found the John Campbell in the childrens home in 1901 born in Birmingham.

As Hugh snr has listed himself as single in 1901 I wonder whether Ellen has either died or perhaps they have split up and therefore John has been put into a childrens home.

That doesn't explain why we can't find the birth registration though.