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I can't believe that I didn't remember this when posting on the new thread today about the WHEATS

There seems to be so much utter rubbish on this one, it should have been hard to forget

http://www.genesreunited.co.nz/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1284194

As seems normal, Linda hasn't bothered to return........what a time-waster

Philip Faulkner in 1911

Person: FAULKNER, Philip
Address: 134 Cook St Pendleton Salford

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FAULKNER, Sarah Head Widow F 57 1854 House- Keeper Lancashire Manchester VIEW
FAULKNER, Elizabeth Jane Sister Married
18 years F 47 1864 Bobbin Reeler Lancashire Manchester VIEW
FAULKNER, Mary Elizabeth Daughter Single F 17 1894 Gassed Yarn Sorter Lancashire Pendleton VIEW
FAULKNER, Ann Daughter Single F 16 1895 Mill Errand Girl Lancashire Pendleton VIEW
FAULKNER, Sarah Daughter F 13 1898 School Lancashire Pendleton VIEW
FAULKNER, Harry Son M 9 1902 School Lancashire Pendleton VIEW
FAULKNER, Philip Nephew Single M 21 1890 Cloth Packer Lancashire Pendleton VIEW
DAVIES, Harry Boarder Married M 30 1881 Mill Labourer Lancashire Wigan VIEW
ONGE, Edward Boarder Single M 21 1890 Coal Porter Lancashire Salford VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
23967 Reference:
RG14PN23967 RG78PN1381 RD465 SD1 ED36 SN263

A POSSIBLE death for him

Name: Philip Faulkner
Death Registration Month/Year: 1934 - JAS
Age at death (estimated): 45
Registration district: Oldham
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 690

Let's try and sort out the rather confusing info

In 1912, Sara Ellen Wheat, aged 19, married Philip Faulkner - in Salford. Born 1891/2
Father's name Clement Wheat, late private 80th Staffs - deceased

In 1923, Sadie Eugenia Pierce, aged 26, married Harold Sims in Southampton. Born 1896/7
Father's name, Paul Pierce, Electrical Engineer.

How have you managed to reach the conclusion which you have arrived at?

Do you have any PROOF to back up your somewhat preposterous idea that Sadie Pierce and Sarah Wheat are one and the same person?

It seems a bit far-fetched, to say the least.

When was your father born?

What are the full details for his mother on his birth cert?

ummm......my sister told me sadie changed her n.ame and on my dads birth certificate its Sarah.Sadie says she was 26 on Harolds certificate in 1923 and on Philips in 1912 she was 19.Fathers occupation on Philips was late private 80th staffordshire regiment(deceased)on Harolds electrical engineer.

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Births Jun 1896 (>99%)
Turnor Sadie Eugenie Birmingham 6d 22

Her birth as Sarah Ellen wheat doest match up with Sadies if you understand what i mean!Ha haHer age seems to change alot thro the years.

Can you tell us why you think that these two apparently different women are actually the same person?

How old was Sadie on that marriage cert? And what was her father's occupation?

Name: Sadie Eugenia Sims
Birth Date: 12 Feb 1894
Death Registration Month/Year: 1976
Registration district: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 20
Page: 1407

Sadie Euginia Pierce married Harold Barzila Sims in December 1923.Her father named as Paul Pierce.
She married in 1912 to a Philip Faulkner fathers name Clemant Wheat.Her name was then Sarah Ellen Wh eat!!!

The birth of Mr SIMS

Births Mar 1903 (>99%)
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SIMS Harold Barzillia Southampton 2c 6

And his death

Name: Harold Barzillia Sims
Birth Date: 4 Dec 1902
Death Registration Month/Year: 1979
Registration district: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 20
Page: 1073

Jane Wheat
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Sister-in-Law
Gender: Female
Where born: Longton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stone
Ecclesiastical parish: Normacot
Town: Longton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Finney 42
Jane Wheat 29
Lilian Wheat 3

Deaths Sep 1885 (>99%)
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Wheat George Henry 0 Stoke T. 6b 134

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Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1885
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WHEAT George Henry Longton Stoke-On-Trent MILLINGTON LGN/072/097

Clement Lewis Wheat
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Stone
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 68
To either Jane Millington or Harriet Pointon

freebmd shows four births for Faulkner/Wheat

Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
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Faulkner Phyllis Wheat Salford 8d 168

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Births Jun 1914 (>99%)
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FAULKNER Philip M Wheat Salford 8d 228

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Births Sep 1915 (>99%)
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Faulkner Harold Wheat Salford 8d 7

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Births Jun 1916 (>99%)
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Faulkner Stanley B W Wheat Salford 8d 74

On Sadie's 1923 marriage cert, what is her full name and her age?

And who is listed as being her father?

Name: Ethel May Wheat
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 06 Oct 1898
Baptism/Christening Place: HARTSHILL(near Stoke upon Trent), STAFFORD, ENGLAND
Birth Date: 24 Sep 1898
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Clement Lewis Wheat
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C08943-2
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1470997
Reference Number: item 7 p 86
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Thank you Christina.Sarah tends to move about quite a lot.Was told she had different parents.On her marriage certificate her father was Clemant Lewis Wheat.Sarah(Sadie)married a Philip Faulkner in 1912 in Pendleton Salford.She had 6 children,3 sadly died at birth.Was told she had eight!!!
Sigh!wouldnt you just luv to step back in time.......

Name: WHEAT, Sarah Ellen
Registration District: Help Congleton
County: Cheshire
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: Help 8A
Page No: Help 306