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Thanks all for all of the help
I now know some more about this family.
Also where i can locate the marriage I was after.So won't be wasting any more time on Ancestry looking for it

I have to go now and fix husbands dinner

So thanks again

Blue

Sorry about this,
i have been answering on the first page,didn't realise we'd gone onto another

I was wondering who the chap on the probate is.John was married twice
first to Elizabeth Haynes
second to Mary Jane Mutch Maiden name, on the second marriage they were both widows

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Mary Jane Mutch
1861 –

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William Chandler
1890 –

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Percy Chandler
1893 –

Other Spouse & Children

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Elizabeth Haynes
1861 –

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Elizabeth Frances Chandler
1881 –

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Henry James Chandler
1883 –

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Ernest Francis Chandler
1887 –

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William Joseph Chandler
1889 –
As far as I have found out he only had one daughter "Elizabeth" by his first marriage
perhaps she married the Durrant

Thanks Maureen
If I haven't got the cert before I go to London to visit relatives,maybe my husband will take me to the archives.
Will check out on google where it is

Blue

Hi Maureen,
thanks for that info.I am planning to go to London soon to visit relatives.
If I haven't ordered the cert before I go,mau be able to convince husband to take me there
Shall have to google them to find out where they are.
Blue

No the Rose he's married to is a Kirkham....

This seems to be the man mentioned in John's probate record I wonder if he's a son in law???

1911 census - household transcription
Person: DURRANT, Henry George
Address: 18 Borough Road Southwark S E

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DURRANT, Henry George Head Married 8 years M 30 1881 Grocer Southwark Surrey
DURRANT, Rose Wife Married F 31 1880 Assisting In The Business Southwark Surrey
DURRANT, Violet Rose Daughter F 7 1904 Camberwell
DURRANT, Henry James George Son M 2 1909 Southwark Surrey
DURRANT, John Robert Son M 1 1910 Southwark Surrey
KIRKHAM, George Henry Father In Law Widower M 71 1840 Wharf Labourer Lincons in Fields
KIRKHAM, Fanny Sister In Law Single F 27 1884 Book Machinist Southwark Surrey
BUDD, Emma Jessie Servant Single F 23 1888 Domestic Servant Lambeth Surrey
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RG number: RG14 Piece: 1784 Reference:
RG14PN1784 RG78PN63 RD23 SD3 ED12 SN72
Registration District: Southwark Sub District: St George the Martyr West Enumeration District: 12 Parish: Southwark St George the Martyr

Hi Cathy
thanks for all the 1911 census
shame they never left any money to my lot,lol

have just added the info you have provided to my Ancestry tree

mgnv
I was thinking the same thing.so I shall just have to order their marriage cert then!
thanks for your input
Blue


Blue

I think the reason you're not finding the marriage is that only the records from the LMA were "done" by Ancestry. As the marriage was in Strand (Westminster) the records will be at the Westminster Archives.

Hope that made sense!!

Maureen

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941

Name: John Richardson Chandler of 18 Allendale Rd, Denmark Hill
Probate Date: 3 Jul 1920
Death Date: 25 May 1920
Death Place: Surrey, England
Registry: London

£1501 14s 10d to Henry George Durrant Grocer

Before 1898, all non-conformist marrs (not just RC) were recorded in the registrar's register, as well as register office marrs. Maybe that's why you've not found it.

1911 census - household transcription
Person: CHANDLER, John
Address: 7 Inville Road Walworth
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CHANDLER, John Head Married M 50 1861 Grocer Southwark Surrey
CHANDLER, Mary Wife Married 11 years F 50 1861 Devonport Devon
CHANDLER, Williams Son Single M 21 1890 Newspaper Cyclists Southwark Surrey
CHANDLER, Percy Son Single M 18 1893 Printer Warehouseman Southwark Surrey

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RG number: RG14 Piece: 1835 Reference:
RG14PN1835 RG78PN65 RD23 SD5 ED17 SN176
Registration District: Southwark Sub District: Newington South Enumeration District: 17 Parish: St Mary Newington

Hi Cathy

No I don't have either of these records thank you so much for them.

Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. Shall print them out

Blue

Do you have this record Blue?

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941

Name: Mary Ann Chandler of 84 Darwen street Walworth Surrey
Probate Date: 15 Feb 1918
Death Date: 15 Jan 1918
Death Place: Surrey, England
Registry: London
£148 7s 11d to John Richardson Chandler Grocer

1911 census - household transcription
Person: CHANDLER, Mary Ann
Address: 84 Darwin Street Walworth
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SMITH, Samuel Head Married M 49 1862 General Labourer Boro Council Southwark London
SMITH, Mary Ann Charlotte Wife Married
28 years F 48 1863 Southwark London
SMITH, Francis William Son Single M 25 1886 Tram Conducter County Council Southwark London
SMITH, Mary Ann Elizabeth Daughter Single F 15 1896 Dressmaker Apprentice Southwark London
SMITH, Emilt Rose Daughter F 9 1902 School Southwark London
CHANDLER, Mary Ann Mother In Law Widow F 75 1836 None London City of Wesminster
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RG number: RG14 Piece: 1812 Reference:
RG14PN1812 RG78PN64 RD23 SD4 ED20 SN240
Registration District: Southwark Sub District: Newington North Enumeration District: 20 Parish: St Mary Newington

Address:
84 Darwin Street Walworth County:
London

1891 census - household transcription
Person: CHANDLER, Thomas E
Address: 8a, Chatham Street, Newington
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CHANDLER, Thomas E Head Married M 54 1837 House Decorator
Brighton
CHANDLER, Mary Wife Married F 56 1835
London Golden Square Green Street
CHANDLER, Wm A Son Single M 19 1872 House Decorator
Walworth London
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RG number: RG12 Piece: 354 Folio: 49 Page: 58
Registration District: St Saviour Southwark Sub District: Trinity Newington Enumeration District: 20 Ecclesiastical Parish:St Johns
Civil Parish: Newington

Hi
yes that's the same man,Thomas was born in Brighton so was his sister Emma.As far as i can make out they are the only two children of John Richardson Chandler and Eliza

Blue

Yes They are on the 1861 with her parents.

Thomas Hunt

Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Hunt
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Southwark St George The Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St George the Martyr
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: St George Southwark
Sub-registration district: Borough Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 274
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hunt 45
Mary Hunt 43
William Hunt 21
Charlotte Hunt 19
Thomas Hunt 15
Elizabeth Hunt 12
Emma Hunt 10
Angelina Hunt 8
Alice Hunt 6
Susanah Hunt 2
Thomas Chandler 25
Mary Chandler 25
Thomas Chandler 3
John Chandler 1
Elizabeth Yarn 24

Here is the 1881
I think Thomas and Mary were living with her parents in 1861
Thomas Hunt and Mary

Mary A. Chandler
[Mary A. Hunt]
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thomas Chandler
Mother's name: Mary Ann Hunt
Gender: Female
Where born: St James, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Newington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: No 59 Eltham St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Bookfolder

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Chandler 43
Mary A. Chandler 45
Mary A. Chandler 19
Francis Chandler 17
William Chandler 8
Mary Ann Hunt 64
Alice Hunt 25
Susan Hunt 22

will look on the 1861 i have for her parents

Blue

Have you got him in any census as i can only fint one Thomas married to a Mary Ann in 1861?

There are 3 trees on Ancestry with a Thomas Emmerson Chandler born 1836 in Brighton is that the same man?

They weren't RC so I can't understand why I can't find them in marriages and banns.

Blue