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Not quite back to square one, but must be a bit of a blow.

However on the bright side, you've got more detective work to look forward to.

Ozi

An update: have seen documents in archives that prove James was in prison on a 7 year sentence in Shrewsbury which began in 1865. The Annie listed as his daughter in 1891 on the census is 23 born in 1868. He cannot have fathered her at that time as he was banged up doing hard labour! Annie remains a mystery. The Annie born in 1868 was not her. I got the birth certificate. It was a different younger James Mills who was the father.

So glad it has worked out for you Carole. Very kind of you to come back and let us know. That is always aprreciated!

Good luck with your research.

Wow! Thankyou ozibird and everyone else. That should keep me busy.

Also

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: James Love
bride's name: Elizabeth Glitherow
marriage date: 19 May 1800
marriage place: Pinchbeck,Lincoln,England
indexing project (batch) number: M03099-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 504734

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Benjamin Love
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 10 May 1811
baptism/christening place: PINCHBECK,LINCOLN,ENGLAND
father's name: James Love
mother's name: Elizth
indexing project (batch) number: C03099-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 504734



record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: Benjamin Love
bride's name: Ann Brackenbury
marriage date: 25 Oct 1830
marriage place: Grantham,Lincoln,England
indexing project (batch) number: M01124-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 436035



record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Ann Brackenbury
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 23 Sep 1811
baptism/christening place: GRANTHAM,LINCOLN,ENGLAND
father's name: John Brackenbury
mother's name: Eliz.
indexing project (batch) number: C01124-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 436045

Thanks, Carole.

Lovely to know it turned out so well.

Ozi

For Ozibird and other who have been kind enough to help me.
This morning my husband went to the records office in Stafford where they hold registrations of BMDs for West Bromwich ( used to be in Staffordshire) and he was able to see details of the marriage between James Mills and Sarah Love that took place in April 1864 at Holy Trinity Church, West Bromwhich. Her age fitted in with other information. Sarah Love's father is recorded as Benjamin Love which would fit in with the family in Spalding / Grantham in the 1841 census. James, recorded as a widower which would be correct, named his father as Joseph Mills which is also correct as is his profession as a labourer. Interestingly, the profession of Sarah's father is left blank.

My husband then saw a copy of the GRO deaths for 1872 and found the one for Sarah Mills, 1872 6b409 and the age was obliterated.

I shall do more research but I already feel that I have found Sarah Love.

Thank you for your help everyone, it is much appreciated.

Skirling is in Peebleshire, but it's only 1km from the Lanark county line, so a pob of Skirling, Lanark could well be accurate.

No, same here.

Good luck. If you get the death cert, will you post the findings on here? I'm just curious to see how it turns out.

Ozi

I think you have all been very kind. I am convinced now that she was born in lincolnshire and I am also thinking that the death of the woman in 1872 may have been mistranscribed and should have been 36 not 86 as I can find no other Sarah Love over 80 in West Bromwich in the 1871 census.
Thank you for your help.

Ozibird: Annie mills.

That is not my Annie Mills. She is from another family, part of the false trail I followed. I sent for the birth certificate for that girl and her father James Mills, was born 1839 and her mother, Mercy Smith, was born 1842. They subsequently went to live in Yorkshire.

Although it says on the census of 1891 that my family's Annie was born in Dudley, I can find no record of her birth. Neither can I find her after the 1891 census and again I have followed many false trails. I'm at a brick wall place!

For rootgatherer: now you have me banged to rights because I'm still waiting for the certificate! I know from family sources that his second wife was called Sarah. I have discussed this with West Midland Births,Marriages and Deaths and the confirm that a James Mills did marry a Sarah Love in Jun 1864 at Holy Trinity Church West Bromwich. I'm taking a leap of fath because I can't find any other young women with the name Sarah Love in that area except for the girl that was lodging with his daughters in the home of the Westwood family who were not related.

Ozibird: He died in Wombridge, Shropshire in 1892 living round the corner from his second daughter, Harriet (by now Mrs Knight) who attended his death. His other two daughters from his first marriage also married in Shropshire.
It's just possible isn't it that the age of the woman who died was 36 not 86.
That would account for her going 'missing'.

Carole, I had to have a chuckle. I've been searching censuses for over 20 years. I know where to find the info. I just wondered where YOU found it as I couldn't see any reference to Skirling or Lanarkshire anywhere I found her.

Now I understand. As with rootgatherer, It is quite obviously "Linconshire [no 'L'] Spauling" on the image, and transcribed by Ancestry as Spauling Lincolnshire.



Is this the Annie, who is with James in 1891? And is she Sarah's daughter.
Births Sep 1868
MILLS Annie Dudley 6c 3

I just wonder if this age has been mistranscribed. She would have been about 36.

Deaths Sep 1872
MILLS Sarah 86 W. Bromwich 6b 409

Carole, If youu look at the actual image of the 1861 (it is certainly quite feint), the second letter of the birth county looks like an "i" as it is dotted unlike "a". I still think that it says Linconshire (without the "l") Like Ozibird, I think that is her in 1851. Perhaps the poor relief records have survived and would give more details of why she was in the Union Workhouse.

Did she give a father's name and occupation on her marriage to James please?

For Ozibird. On Genes reunited when youn search the records for a particular census and find a likely candidate you can press on VIEW (purple button) or IMAGE to see the actual record. View shows you information on that particular person, age, status, relationship to head of household and place of birth. for Sarah Love it give the place of birth as Skirling, Lancashire. I don't think Skirling is in Lancashire it's in Lanakshire. I thought Skirling was near Peebles. However, the on the actual record it looks more like Spalding, Lincolnshire. I'm flumoxed.
And where did they go after they were married?

1851 also in the workhouse:
Benjamin Love abt 1808 Pinchbeck, Lincolnshire, England Pauper Spalding, Lincolnshire
Ann Love abt 1808 Grantham, Lincolnshire, England Pauper Spalding, Lincolnshire
Elizabeth Love abt 1833 Pinchbeck, Lincolnshire, England Pauper Spalding, Lincolnshire
Emma Love abt 1839 Grantham, Lincolnshire, England Pauper Spalding, Lincolnshire
Eliza Love abt 1842 Spalding, Lincolnshire, England Pauper Spalding, Lincolnshire
Charlotte Love abt 1848 Spalding, Lincolnshire, England Pauper Spalding, Lincolnshire

What personal information on which census? I don't understand.

Ozi

Rootgatherer: If you look t the census it looks like Spalding, Lincolnshire, but the personal information says she was born in Skirling and it says Lancashire. I understood that Skirling was in Lanarkshire. That entry on the personal information that accompanies the census really threw me. So she was from Spalding after all.

For Lynne: he was baptised on the 11th September, 1819 in Uffington, Shropshire, near to his home in Upton Magna. He first of all married Maria Luscott in Shrewsbury in 1843 but after giving birth to 3 daughters and moving backwards and forwards to and from Shropshire to Dudley, Maria died in 1854. in Shrewsbury. I have her death certificate. The next sighting of the children is in 1861 in West Bromwich. One daughter, Harriet is not present, neither is James.