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hi all

Right here goes we found that list of names in the 1911 census
below is a link to the 1911 entry that we have been looking at:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/records/srzoomer.aspx?key=2557922&ff_type=51&srchkey=16275026

We have seen the entry in 1901 spelt Bevens and believe that they are the same family...

George Bevans - in 1911 census states he was a Dock labourer.

My nephew came up with the Wilson link --I have just rung him to look and come back to me to let me know where he got it... Will post that bit as soon as I know

Thank you everyone

I meant the list of all 9 of the children? My search
(free, at http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx)
only turned up the ones I listed.

The 1901 is surely the same family.

George Bevens 41
Elizabeth Bevens 39
Mary A Bevens 11
Robert Bevens 6
James Bevens 3
Jesse Bevens 6 Months
(no older children with them)

-- btw, the 1901 image actually says Canning Town, not Cannington -- but all of the Bevens household are "ditto" to someone two names above theirs. I would doubt the accuracy.

What does the 1911 say for their birthplaces?


This George in 1881 is a dock labourer, but old:

Name: George Bevan
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Son
Father's name: James Bevan
Mother's name: Flora Bevan
Where born: Deptford, Kent, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Street address: 5 Charlotte St

James Bevan 58 - dock labourer
Flora Bevan 58
George Bevan 29



Just can't spot your George for definite in any year before 1901.


You saw that James Robert's birth was registered as BEVINS?

Genes link not much good when you dont use their records I'm affraid

1911 census - household transcription
Person: BEVANS, George
Address: 3 Mountesquieu St Canning Town E


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BEVANS, George Husband Married M 50 1861 Dock Labour Barkfield EX VIEW
BEVANS, Lizzie Wife Married
29 years F 48 1863 West Ham EX VIEW
BEVANS, Jimmy Son M 13 1898 West Ham EX VIEW
BEVANS, Jessie Son M 11 1900 West Ham EX VIEW
BEVANS, Edward Son M 7 1904 West Ham EX VIEW



and yes janey I have noticed you have given the free version

I see from the image which you have seen they have named all nine surviving children even though they were not living there. Also saying how long each one had been married and in one case they were widowed

jax

Yikes -- can you copy that for us, jax? how long each surviving child had been married, which one was widowed?

I only ask because you are soooo nice. ;)

So that's where the list Robert gave at the beginning came from. Got it!



I have been searching and searching in 1891 for any of them, and for births, to absolutely no avail.

I tend more and more to think that the older children were children of Elizabeth -- and am waiting w/ bated breath for the info about her name. ;)

Huh being nice to me now then JC lol

Not too sure they got the ages right though

john 29 married 5
bill 27>>>>>>>>7
florrie 29>>>>>>4
m\ry ann 21>>>>3
George 29 widower 9
robert 19 single

jax

Marriages Sep 1907
> Bevans Florence Ann W.Ham 4a 19
RAYMENT Charles James W. Ham 4a 19
ROGERS Edith Florence W. Ham 4a 19
WILSON Ernest Frederick W. Ham 4a 19

These births seem a tad late, and I don't see a Charles and Flor* Rayment couple in 1911, but there is no other Bevans-Rayment marriage:

Births Mar 1920
Rayment James C Bevans W.Ham 4a 472
Births Sep 1922
Rayment Daisy Bevans W.Ham 4a 335
Births Sep 1924
Rayment John W Bevans W.Ham 4a 383

Name: Florence Annie Rayment
Birth Date: 21 Jan 1888 - should be c1884 for our Florrie
Death Registration Month/Year: 1969
Registration district: Thurrock
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 2979

There is no Florence Ann/ie Bev* birth 1882-1889 in London/Essex.

Births Dec 1887 ??
Bevan Florence Annie J Chepstow 11a 8

edit - no - this is that one in 1891 in Monmouthshire

John Bevan 32
Lizie Bevan 28
George Ernest Hopkins Bevan 5
Florence Annie Jame Bevan 3
Willie John Bevan 1

Marriages Dec 1907
> BEVANS Mary Ann W. Ham 4a 8
FARMER Thomas W. Ham 4a 8
HORSWILL Ada Amelia W. Ham 4a 8
PEMBLE Sydney Percival R W. Ham 4a 8

Can't find any births or deaths after 1911, can't spot them in 1911.

1911 census - household transcription
Person: BEVENS, George
Address: 7 Hallsville Road Victoria Docks E


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JOLLEY, Mary Head Single F 18 1893 Greengrosey Dealer Canning Town Essex VIEW
JOLLEY, William Brother Single M 17 1894 Assisting In The Business Canning Town E Essex VIEW
JOLLEY, Jack Brother Single M 15 1896 Assisting In The Business Canning Town E Essex VIEW
JOLLEY, Joe Brother Single M 13 1898 School Canning Town E Essex VIEW
JOLLEY, Jane Sister Single F 11 1900 School Canning Town E Essex VIEW
WEBB, Charlie Cousin Single M 9 1902 School Plastow Essex VIEW
WEBB, Charlie Uncle Married M 38 1873 Assisting In The Business Suffolk Anden Suffolk VIEW
BEVENS, George Servant Widower M 28 1883 Assisting In The Business Canning Town E Essex VIEW

Deaths Mar 1909 (>99%)
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BEVANS Mary Ann 25 W. Ham 4a 91


Marriages Mar 1902 (>99%)
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Bevans George Robert W. Ham 4a 7
Mancktelow Mary Anne W. Ham 4a 7

Marriages Mar 1902
? Bevans George Robert W. Ham 4a 7
Heester John Jacob W. Ham 4a 7
Mancktelow Mary Anne W. Ham 4a 7
Smith Mary Ellen W. Ham 4a 7

Births Jun 1883
Bevins George Robert W. Ham 4a 65


Yay -- evidence of children born with the Bev* surname in the early 1880s -- since that birth matches with the 1902 marriage, which matches with the 1911 info that George Jr married c1902.

Webb! I was just looking at an earlier census for some Bev* with Webbs in the household! Let me find it again!


1891

Name: Florence Bevan
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: George Bevan
Mother's name: Sophia Bevan
Where born: Chatham

Civil Parish: Chatham
Town: Chatham
County/Island: Kent

George Bevan 57 - farm labourer
Sophia Bevan 47
Sarah Bevan 17
Florence Bevan 6
John Webb 69 - army pensioner
Henry James 50
Ann James 49
Arthur James 10
Elizabeth James 7

Name: George Bevan
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sophia Bevan
Where born: Wortham, Kent, England

Name: John Webb
Age: 69
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Lodger
Where born: St Luke, Warwickshire, England


probably a total coincidence ...

Can't find a marriage for that George & Sophia.


1901

Sophia Bevan 58 [someone has corrected to Beavin]
Florence Jane Bevan 16
Samuel Hassell 82
Civil Parish: Chatham

Marriages Mar 1868
BEAVIN George Malling 2a 528
Coomber Sophia Sarah Malling 2a 528

Rule 'em out!

1911 census - household transcription
Person: BEVANS, William F
Address: 36 Montesquieu St Canning Town E


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BEVANS, William F Husband Married M 26 1885 C Labour Casual Essex Canning Town VIEW
BEVANS, Rosina M Wife Married
8 years F 26 1885 Essex Canning Town VIEW
BEVANS, William G Son M 5 1906 Essex Canning Town VIEW
BEVANS, Rosina L Daughter F 3 1908 Essex Canning Town VIEW
BEVANS, Albert J Son M 1 1910 Essex Canning Town VIEW
RODERMOND, George Boarder Married M 28 1883 Costemonger Essex Canning Town VIEW
RODERMOND, Beatrice Wife Married F 27 1884 Bag Work Essex Canning Town VIEW

Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%)
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Bevans William Frederick W. Ham 4a 6
Bond Rosina Maud W. Ham 4a 6

Fair play to you all...you are amazing - how quick you find these things out.

We believe our florrie was born1888
yes i think you found the same list with all the 9 names on it

this wilson thing ...i believe it is from the birth certificate of jessie bevans (1900ish)...my nephew has this and i cant get hold of him, I have left him messages to contact me but i really dont think he is going to come back to me with the info tonight..will confirm as soon as i hear from him sorry...


Thanks all

Zoe n Rob x

??
1911 census - household transcription
Person: RAYMENT, Florence
Address: 28 Scott Street Victoria Docks E


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RAYMENT, John Head Married
42 years M 61 1850 Bed Ridden Essex West Ham VIEW
RAYMENT, Caroline Wife Married
42 years F 60 1851 No Occupation Essex West Ham VIEW
RAYMENT, John Son Single M 40 1871 Dock Casual Essex West Ham VIEW
>>>>>>>>>RAYMENT, James Son Married
4 years M 23 1888 Dock Casual Essex West Ham VIEW
>>>>>>>>>RAYMENT, Florence Daughter Married
4 years F 24 1887 No Occupation Essex West Ham VIEW
RAYMENT, Nellie Daughter Single F 20 1891 Match Maker Essex West Ham VIEW
RAYMENT, Daisy Daughter Single F 17 1894 Match Maker Essex West Ham County London VIEW

I just love people who go by their middle names. ;)

So that's Florence in 1911. And the only likely-looking birth is:

Births Dec 1887
Bevan Florence Annie J Chepstow 11a 8


Did they do like Ernest, and emigrate to Australia for a few years, just in time for the 1891 census??

1911 census - household transcription
Person: BEVANS, Hannah E
Address: 57 Portland Road Victoria Docks E


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DUTTON, Alfred John Head Married M 24 1887 Fireman On Ship Essex West Ham VIEW
DUTTON, Florence Mary Anne Wife Married F 20 1891 London Bow VIEW
BEVANS, Hannah E Sister In Law Married F 25 1886 London Bow VIEW
BEVENS, John Brother Married
4 years M 22 1889 Trimmer On Ship Essex West Ham VIEW

Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)
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BEVANS John W. Ham 4a 18
Hawkins Hannah W. Ham 4a 18

Not sure about this one

just want to say ..

jax - i think you are spot on with William Frederick Bevans wife rosina and 3 children ...it adds up for us as Robs grandad James Robert Bevans' brother Bill

many thanks once again.

Zo n Rob

more children for william

Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
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Bevan Louisa E Bond W.Ham 4a 338

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Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
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Bevans Henry A Bond W.Ham 4a 251

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Births Sep 1921 (>99%)
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Bevans David T Bond W.Ham 4a 246

Well cheese, Zoe/Rob ... I'm chopped liver!

I've got you Florence's marriage and kids, Mary Ann's marriage, George's *birth* and marriage, and before that James's birth ... and all the info I sent you by PM ....... for which you thanked me at length. ;)


You're madly searching for all these new names in trees here at GR, right? ;)


Name: George Bevans
Death Registration Month/Year: 1927
Age at death (estimated): 65 = dob c1862
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 190