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Your welcome, yes I believe that is the correct Mary. It was in your 1st query that you said that Mary, who was mother of the children was born c1834.

????interesting found this birth, not her of course

Surname: McGuan
Name: Mary Ann
Event: Birth
Fathers Name: Michael
Mothers Name: Eliza Moran
Birthplace: WARRENHEIP
Yr: 1873
Reg No: 277

Hi Mel
Thanks for the additional information.
The marriage details (1879) you provided state that Mary was born in Warrenheip, Vic. The death details (1946) you have found would make Mary 18 years of age when she married Thomas which is feasible.
My Great Uncle, Thomas appears to have been a bit of a rogue marrying such a young girl.
I will buy some certificates to confirm that I have the right Mary.
I do appreciate your time and effort in sourcing the information for me.
Many thanks.
Lyne

Lyne,

Surname: Embelton
Name: Mary
Event: Death
Fathers Surname: Mcguane
Fathers Name: William
Mothers Name: Mary Cahill
Deathplace: Ormond (Melbourne)
Age: 85 yrs
Yr: 1946
Reg No: 8828

which makes year of birth around 1861

death of Mary's mother, who I believe that you have as the mother of the children!

Surname: McGaun
Name: Mary
Event: Death
Fathers Surname: Cahill
Fathers Name: Patrick
Mothers Name: Mary Danaher
Birthplace: Clare
Age: 35 yrs
Yr: 1874
Reg No: 6553

year of birth c1839

??????? and her possible arrival in Australia

Surname Name Age Month Year Ship
McGuan Mary 25 Mar 1864 Coldstream

Have not been able to find a birth in Victoria of Mary who married Thomas Embelton

Hi Mel
Mary McGuane looks like a possible match for the Mary I have but I have Thomas being born in Tynemouth Northumberland England and the three children are the ones I have although there is variance with the third child as I have only the name Jane born 1886 and I don't have the suburbs only know that they were all born in Victoria. I don't have Mary's birth date or her surname.
I guess the only way to prove that she is the right Mary is to buy their marriage certificate.
Thanks so much for your help
Lyne

Lyne,

For your info only, found 2 marriages in Victoria

Surname: Embleton
Name: Thomas born Dur[ham]
Event: Marriage
Spouses Surname: Gray
Spouses Name: Mary born Dur[ham]
Yr: 1874
Reg No: 2259

Cannot find any children born to this union

Surname: Embelton
Name: Thomas born Cumberland
Event: Marriage
Spouses Surname: McGuan
Spouses Name: Mary born Warrenheip Victoria
Yr: 1879
Reg No: 4381

and children born, all around the Ballarat district

Surname: Embelton
Name: Mary Ann
Event: Birth
Fathers Name: Thomas
Mothers Name: Mary McGuan
Birthplace: Bung[aree]
Yr: 1881
Reg No: 938

Surname: Embleton
Name: Elizabeth
Event: Birth
Fathers Name: Thomas
Mothers Name: Mary McGuane
Birthplace: Gord[on]
Yr: 1883
Reg No: 9782

Surname: Embelton
Name: Sarah Jane
Event: Birth
Fathers Name: Thomas
Mothers Name: Mary McGuan
Birthplace: Bol W
Yr: 1885
Reg No: 15484

you're very welcome Lyne

Hi All
So much information it took me some time to analyse it.
Thank you all so much.
The article which I saw in the Victorian Colonial Newspaper prompted me to post the message. I have Thomas' wife as Eleanor Richardson and I have their three children as TonyOZ stated, all arriving in 1856 on the Mindoro.
So perhaps the name Sarah is a typo, although I have a second wife for Thomas, namely Mary ? (b. c1834 Vic) who had 3 children to him, Mary Ann (c1881 Vic), Elizabeth (c1883 Vic), Jane (c1886 Vic).
All of the Embletons/Embeltons in the replies are my ancestors, some of the information I have but you all have kindly provided some information that I didn't have including the twins born in 1864.
Cherilyn...the info you provided on the Richardsons who also came out on the Mindoro certainly looks to be Eleanor's (Ellen) family. I didn't have any of this information.
Many thanks for the time and effort you all have put in it is much appreciated.
Lyne

Cherilyn


thank you for that newspaper site ... I've made a note of it.


I have quite a few rellies emigrated to OZ in the 1840s and 1850s.

Maybe I'll get some hints for my own research!!



sylvia

Likely marriage for Jno P jnr:

Surname: RICHARDSON
Given Names: John Pearson
Event: M
Spouse Surname: CLAPPERTON
Spouse Gvn Names: Barbara
Birth Place: DURHAM
Year: 1870
Reg Number: 402

He died in Ballarat in 1899 aged 59. His mother was Elizabeth ROBSON.

Jno Pearson RICHARDSON snr died in 1892 in Ballarat aged 83, son of Hy & Elizabeth.

Wonder if this is Helen's family also on the Mindoro, i.e. Jno P & Eliz as her parents? (noting that the marriage Sylvia found showed her father as John Richardson):

Family Name First Name Age Month Year Ship Port Fiche Page
RICHARDSON JNO P 47 JUL 1856 MINDORO B 110 004
RICHARDSON ELIZTH 43 JUL 1856 MINDORO B 110 004
RICHARDSON JAMES 21 JUL 1856 MINDORO B 110 004
RICHARDSON JANE 20 JUL 1856 MINDORO B 110 004
RICHARDSON JNO P 17 JUL 1856 MINDORO B 110 004
RICHARDSON THOS 19 JUL 1856 MINDORO B 110 004
RICHARDSON HENRY 9 JUL 1856 MINDORO B 110 004
RICHARDSON ISABELLA 7 JUL 1856 MINDORO B 110 004

This fits mother as Ellen/Helen, for Robert b. 1851:

Surname: EMBLETON
Given Names: Robert
Father: Embleton Thomas
Mother: Helen RICHARDSON
Death Place: MELB S
Age: 79
Year: 1931
Reg Number: 10711
Event: D

The Argus, Tuesday 8 September 1931, p.1
EMBELTON-On the 4th September (suddenly), at his residence, 149 Canterbury road, Middle Park, Robert, the dearly loved only brother of Mary (Mrs. G. H. Hills) and Helen (deceased), and cousin of Mr W. Richardson, J.P., Malvern.
Peace perfect peace


and for Helen born in Vic 1867:

Surname: EMBELTON
Given Names: Helen
Father: Embelton Thos
Mother: Helen RICHARDSON
Death Place: ST KILDA
Age: 59
Year: 1924
Reg Number: 3506
Event: D

The Argus, Tuesday 18 March 1924, p.1
EMBELTON.- On the 11th March, at her residence, Koonda, 25 Canterbury road, St. Kilda, Helen, the dearly beloved sister of Robert and Mary Hannah (Mrs G. H. Hills) (Interred privately at Brighton Cemetery, March 13.)

This age is 10 yrs out...

Surname: HILLS
Given Names: Mary Hannah
Father: Embleton Thomas
Mother: Unknown RICHARDSON
Death Place: KEW
Age: 69
Year: 1934
Reg Number: 1746
Event: D

See http://www.brightoncemetery.com/ for Helens' burial - perhaps her mother and/or father are there too. Robert is buried at Fawkner with several others but not his parents unfortunately. See http://www.fcmp.com.au/

Death notices from trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper

This death?

Surname: EMBLETON
Given Names: Thos
Event: D
Father: Unknown
Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN
Age: 70
Death Place: Long Gully
Year: 1896
Reg. Number: 6574

From immigration, the two surviving chn's marriage:

Surname: EMBELTON
Given Names: Robert
Event: M
Spouse Surname: MOORE
Spouse Gvn Names: Elizabeth
Birth Place: DURHAM
Year: 1881
Reg Number: 2487

Surname: EMBELTON
Given Names: Mary Hannah
Event: M
Spouse Surname: HILLS
Spouse Gvn Names: Geo Hy
Birth Place: DURHAM
Year: 1889
Reg. Number: 4829

Burials at Ballaarat Cemetery from http://ballaratcemeteries.com.au/php/search.php

EMBELTON ELIZABETH 10 4/05/1865 [dau of Thos & Ellen, as above]
EMBELTON THOMAS WILLIAM 6 19/03/1875 [? Death reg as Thos Wilkinson EMBELTON aged 5, son of George & Mary Ann nee WILKINSON]
EMBELTON WILLIAM THOMAS 3 2/04/1867 [son of Tho & Helen]
EMBLETON MARGARET 8MTHS 27/03/1858 [dau of Geo & Mary Ann]
EMBLETON ROBERT 9MTHS 11/03/1865 [son of Robt & Jane]
EMBLETON THOMAS 11MTH 16/03/1861 [son of Geo & Mary Ann]

Thos EMBELTON and Helen RICHARDSON had twins in Ballarat in 1864 (Helen & Wm Thos - his death in 1867 aged 3 above).

Cant see a death for a Thomas EMBLETON in Victoria.


Might be worth considering that this surname could also be seen as EMBELTON....in Australia

This "appears" to be a death for Elizabeth in 1865...but surname spelt as EMBELTON

EMBELTON, Elizabeth CD 267478 Death
Father: Thomas
Mother: Unknown Ellen
Birthplace: Durh ( poss Durham )
Reg Year: 1865
Reg State: Victoria
Ref Number: 3044




The Newspaper article states......... "severely that she went away to her father's"


Perhaps her parents had arrived here also.?

I guess we have to wait for Lynette to return and tell us the names of the children, and then we will know if we have found the corect family




sylvia

Have just checked Victorian Colonial Newspapers.

The article does mention a Sarah?. Unless its a typo error!!

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848-1954) Wednesday 20 September 1871

EMBLETON V. EMBLETON. ( as written )
This was a petition by Sarah Embleton for a dissolution of her marriage with her husband Thomas Embleton, on the ground of adultery and desertion.
Mr. Molesworth, for petitioner ; no appear- ance for respondent,
Petitioner and respondent were married at Newcastle-on-Tyne in 1850. In 1856 they came to this country, where they have since resided. In 180G Embleton ill-treated his wife, and beat her so severely that she went away to her father's. Her husband aftorwards refused to take her back, and in 1867 he lived with a girl named Walsh, by whom ho had a child. He had since left that girl, who, it wns stated, was recently married. The petition, besides asking for a dissolution of marriage, prayed that Mrs. Embleton might be allowed to keep her children, who were li, 14, and 7 years respectively.

Marriage of Thomas Embleton and Eleanor

from www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records


record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973

groom's name: Thomas Embleton
bride's name: Ellen Richardson
marriage date: 23 Jun 1850
marriage place: Saint Nicholas, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
groom's father's name: Robert Embleton
bride's father's name: John Richardson
indexing project (batch) number: M15605-1
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1068905



children????????


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Robert Embleton
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 14 May 1851
baptism/christening place: Chester-le-Street, Durham, England
father's name: Thomas Embleton
mother's name: Eleanor Embleton
indexing project (batch) number: C00759-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1894222



name: Mary Hannah Embleton
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 21 Dec 1854
baptism/christening place: Chester-le-Street, Durham, England
father's name: Thomas Embleton
mother's name: Ellen Embleton
indexing project (batch) number: C00759-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1894222




can't find Elizabeth's baptism on there



sylvia

???? births of the children on the shipping passenger list, from www.freebmd.org.uk


Births Mar 1851 (>99%)

Embleton Robert Chester le Street 24 44


Births Dec 1852 (>99%)

Embleton Elizabeth Chester le Street 10a 246


Births Dec 1854 (>99%)

Embleton Mary Hannah Chester le St. 10a 270





although I have to say that Embleton is quite a common name in that area of the country. There was even an Embleton Hall, and a village called Embleton, apparently.




sylvia

a possibilty for Thomas and Robert in 1841, bearing in mind the roudning down of ages on the 1841 census

1841 Census

Name: Thomas Embleton
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Gender: Male
Where born: Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Tynemouth
Hundred: Castle (East Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: North Shields

Robert Embleton 60 Coal Miner
Hannah Embleton 50
Robert Embleton 18 Coal Miner
Hannah Embleton 20
Thomas Embleton 12 Coal Miner
George Embleton 11 Coal Miner
Isabella Embleton 4

Address:- Whitehill Parish


just a suggestion




sylvia