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How can I ever thank you all? I would love to now find the maiden name for Alice Frier, Robert's wife as this is now providing so much for me and my family to go on.

It might make you all smile but my husband is a Scot and I have always said I was more English than English, little did I know :)

You'll find the year of that marriage on the freebmd link, will give Alice's maiden name.

Always full of surprises this family history lark Catherine :-))
Good Luck with it all, it's very addictive!.

Chris :)

Brother Harry's baptism?

Name: Henry George Frier
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1897
Baptism Date: 7 Oct 1897
Father's name: Robert Frier
Mother's name: Alice Frier
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lorrimore Square St Paul
Borough: Southwark

No birthdate recorded. Father a Photographer. Address 34 Sturgeon Rd.

I would now clearly love to do my research and find out what took them on the long journey from Scotland to London where my great grandmother lived until she died in 1976. Fascinating what an afternoon can deliver :)

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Thank you Chris, I am already addicted, watch this space :)

Do I have to order the certificate from the free BMD site before I can actually see the detailed information re mother's maiden name etc?

I just took a quick look and could only see the entry Volume 1b Page74 for Minnie Sophia's birth

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(above link for ordering Certificate, £9.25 each)


Marriages Jun 1881 (>99%)
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FRIER Robert Agar Pancras 1b 305

(found on freebmd link, then click on 305 to view spouse surname, all free)

Sorry Catherine, forgot to add mothers maiden name only shown on Births after 1911 on link, but will be on the Certificate you receive)

Looks as though it was Alice Bennett as she is the only Alice on that page in June so taking a gamble that this is right. She must have been very prgnant as Minnie was born 2 months later!

Great stuff eh Catherine?, your'e finding the 'secrets' out now :-))

Chris :)

Thanks to everyone who helped this afternoon, just met my Dad and he is amazed by what I could tell him, so thanx x

If it's the correct family,this looks like sister Maggie's marriage:
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Margaret Cassie Frier
Name: Margaret Cassie Frier 33 Craven St
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Spouse Name: Henry Lincoln Occ:Compositor
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 05 Aug 1883
Parish: St Barnabas, Finsbury
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Father Name: George Galloway Frier (deceased Occ:Type founder)
Spouse Father Name: John Lincoln

Maureen
Edit: There are a couple of other sibling's marriages as well.
George Frier abt 1852 13 May 1883 to Frances Jordan Finsbury St Barnabas
Primrose Frier abt 1854 20 Jan 1883 to Alfred Knight Finsbury St Barnabas
John Abraham Frier abt 1858 6 Apr 1890 to Sarah Ann Ward St Stephen, Canonbury Road

FindmyPast's version-haven't looked on Ancestry:

1861 census transcription details for: 33, Craven Street, St Leonards Shoreditch
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 239 Folio: 96 Page: 34

Reg. District: Shoreditch Sub District: 3 Hoxton New Town
Parish: St Leonards Shoreditch Enum. District: 27
Ecclesiastical District: St John the Baptist Hoxton City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 33, Craven Street, St Leonards Shoreditch County: London, Middlesex

FREAS, George Head Married M 39 1822 Machinist
Scotland
FREAS, Margaret Wife F 39 1822
Scotland
FREAS, Adam Father Widower M 65 1796 Smith
Scotland
FREAS, Elizabeth Daughter F 13 1848
Scotland
FREAS, Adam Son M 11 1850
Scotland
FREAS, George Son M 9 1852
London
FREAS, ...(this will be Primrose) Daughter F 7 1854
London
FREAS, Mary Daughter F 4 1857
London
FREAS, John Son M 3 1858
London
FREAS, Francis Son M 1 1860
London


Maureen

This is interesting Maureen as it adds another dimension to this afternoon. I was fascinated by the Scottish connection and need to spend some time trying to piece this altogether. Interesting that the name is spelt slightly differently.
Thank you, this is all so so useful :)

Ancestry has the family in 1861 as Deras. The handwriting is awful,but it does look like Frier.(or Friar).

Maureen

I don't see Adam and Jess on the 1851 census but given that Adam is a widower living with his son in 1861, I had a quick look on Scotlandspeople but don't see a death for Jess ( tried variants of name as Jess or Jessie in Scotland is often a pet name for Janet).

There is this death on Freebmd so I wonder if the whole family moved to London?

Deaths Jun 1858 (>99%)
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Fryer Jessie Shoreditch 1c 85

Good find that 1861 Maureen :-)


1861 (for Janet)

WEBB, John Geo Head Married M 41 1820 Barristers Clerk
Hardway
Hampshire VIEW
WEBB, John G Son Unmarried M 10 1851 Scholar
Brighton VIEW
WEBB, Hannah E Daughter Unmarried F 8 1853 Scholar
Brighton VIEW
WEBB, Emma L Daughter Unmarried F 6 1855 Scholar
Gloucester VIEW
FRIER, Jannet Servant Unmarried F 17 1844 Hans Servant
Edinburgh VIEW

RG number:
RG09 Piece:
201 Folio:
61 Page:
66

Registration District:
St Luke Sub District:
1 Old Street Enumeration District:
7 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Matthew

Civil Parish:
St Luke Middlesex Municipal Borough:
Address:
11, Pickard Street, St Luke Middlesex

This looks to be the daughter Janet on 1851 census posted earlier in 'Thread', with marriage below...ties in well with the pet name mentioned by rootgatherer :-) image says Jessie Frier or Janet, fathers occ. Mould Smith.

Name: Jessie Frier Janet
Spouse Name: William Herr (occ. Mould Smith)
[Willaim Herr]
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1864
Parish: St Mark, Shoreditch
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: George Frier
Spouse Father Name: William Herr

Chris :)

(not sure if you've checked 'Search Trees' at top of page Catherine, seems to be another person with Minnie Frier) :-)

I,m not sure this will help but I have a brother-in-law with the last new Freir.
frist name Wilfred. He lives in London,Ontario Canada.

Sorry Chris, Maureen and Rootgather I have been away working and not checked this for a while. More very interesting information, I have some work to do to add this onto my tree and continue to build the jigsaw! :)
I will have a look at the 'search trees' you mention Chris to see if any connection.
I can't thank you all enough for this, I was actually quite excited coming home tonight to see what else anyone may have uncovered.