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Thanks Ann, I don't think I've ever been inside.

up until 1847 Manchester Cathedral was just the Collegiate parish church of Manchester (ie it originally had a college attached.) dedicated to St Mary St Denis and St George

So it presumably still served as the parish church for that area of Manchester

Blackburn Cathedral is similar - it was originally the parish church dedicated to St Mary. I don't know what Manchester cathedral is like inside but Blackburn to me has more of the feel of a parish church than a Cathedral.

thanks Jan, so that clears that up. Poor people did get married there.

quote from link below if that helps!!
An extremely large number of marriages were performed at the Cathedral, mainly due to the fact that if a couple from the parish of Manchester opted to get married elsewhere, then they would have to pay 2 sets of fees!


http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Manchester/Manchester/cathedral/index.html

Also, the marriage in the Cathedral is putting me off a bit.

Just seems strange to me that very poor people would be getting married there.

If anyone knows if this was normal, I would love to hear it.

Sounds a bit like a place where Royals would get married, not paupers.

Hi, anyone remember me?

Lavinia's 1879 Birth Cert finally arrived and confirms the father as William Henry Morris and mother as Charlotte , formerly Bowcock, birth registered in sub-district of Newton.

I have found a definite marriage at Manchester Cathedral for William H Morris and Charlotte Bowcock in Jun. 1874 but am wondering if I should try to get a Birth Cert for one of their other children first ( maybe James or Hannah?) before I go ahead and assume that william Henry and Charlotte are the right ones?

Or can I be safe in thinking that Lavinia's certificate proves it conclusively?

forgot to say Joe thanks for the info about James marriage. It was helpful in getting my head round the various names.

I keep flipping between the 3 threads and getting myself lost

hope the Lavinia birth cert gives what you want

please let us know

going back to James birth reg if he was 16 when the 1901 census was taken (31 st March) it is more likely and would fit with the baptism we found (jan 1895) that he was born in the 1st qtr of 1895

Births Mar 1885 (>99%)
Morris James Chorlton 8c 764

this is the Hannah 1889 birth you were given which fits better with age 2

Births Dec 1889 (>99%)
Morris Hannah Barton I. 8c 632

so I agree that Lavinia is a much safer bet

ps-

Thanks Costa and Mel!

Jan
That is pretty amazing, I had found Lavinia in 1901 also married to David Blake and her daughter Nelly staying with James and Ethel Morris in the 1911 census. Hats off to you there, and I am of the same mind that her birth cert would be a safe bet. What do you think, this one a safer bet than the Hannah Morris in 1890?
Do you think that an online request would allow me to say that it's only right if the parents are called William Henry and Charlotte?

Think that birth cert may be the one to get ,here she is in 1901 Lavinia Name: Lavinia Blake
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: David Blake
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: North Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Clayton St Cross
Household Members:
Name Age
David Blake 25
Lavinia Blake 22
Nelly Blake 1

County/Island: Lancashire

1911 copied from other thread

James in 1911 with brother John living with him
MORRIS, James Head Married M 27 1884 Coal Miner Hewer Lancs M/c

MORRIS, Ethel Wife Married
7 years F 24 1887 Lancs M/c Manchester
MORRIS, William Son M 7 1904 Lancs M/c Manchester
MORRIS, James Son M 4 1907 Lancs M/c Manchester
MORRIS, Thomas Son M 1 1910 Lancs M/c Manchester
MORRIS, John Brother Single M 16 1895 Railway Contractors Labourer Lancs M/c Manchester
BLAKE, Nellie Niece F 11 1900 Lancs M/c Manchester
Registration District:
Prestwich Sub District:
Bradford Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
North Manchester

Address:
56 Chatsworth St Beswick


Looks like Nellie could be Lavinia's child
Marriages Dec 1898
Blake David Prestwich 8d 563 ***
Hayhurst Thomas Frank Prestwich 8d 563
Morris Livina Prestwich 8d 563 ******

Thickett Mary Ann Prestwich 8d 563

I don't think they will do a check for names any more at Southport. The local registry office might

how about getting this birth cert to conform mmn

Births Jun 1879
Morris Lavinia Prestwich 8d 389

Hi Joe,

There is also a Hannah Morris christened/baptism for 2nd April 1890 parents William Henry Morris and mother Charlotte in Bradford Lancashire. This is on the family search site.

Costa

Thanks Sue,

I know Ann, but there are no entries for a Hannah Morris in 1889 and I known she was born in openshaw like her brother James.

We have James' marriage certificate for 1903 and know for certain he married Ethel Carter and that his father is WIlliam Henry Morris.
We know the 1901 census is correct for them because they are at the same address, 16 Malpas Street. It gives WIlliam Henry's age as 48 and James' as 16. ( He was 18 when he married).

I don't know what else to do? :-(

I think the birth certificate for Hannah seems more certain because in 1885 there are two or three JAmes Morris entries for Chorlton, and it's an expensive gamble to take, at 10 pounds a certifcicate.

I'm open to your help and advice, and would really like to be certain before going ahead and paying for a birth certificate.

I am pretty sure that the entry for James Morris at Chorlon, 8c 727 , Jun 1885 is right but like you say, the fact there are several James's in that year doesn't help.

Joe.

Joe

Hannah was age 12 in 1901 so born c 1889. 1890 is too late. You were given the index ref for Hannah born in 1889 (dec qtr) on your other thread with reasons why

Have you proved any of the info you have preceding fing James as it is not exactly an uncommon name

I assume you have no certificate proof of anything

You can order online here

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

The cost is £9.25 per cert.

You will need to register, and be sure to tick the box asking if the GRO reference( volume and page number) is known.

This is fantastic Sue, thanks a million!

I'm sorry, please can you tell me where I should obtain Birth Certificates

for Hannah?