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hi i am trying to find my grandmother or great grand parents.my father was lesley lloyd powell-hill who was the son of william rhys powell hill.they came from port talbot.my grand father came to live in cwmbran with my father and mother and died here.i know that my father had a sister called margret but this is all i know. the family lived in port talbot for may years so i am hoping someone out there can help me as i am completely stuck

A good place to start is at freebmd http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

because this one is a little tricky with a double barrelled name i did the search

Marriages Dec 1908
EVANS Evan Bethuel Neath 11a 1572
HILL William Rhys P Neath 11a 1572 <<
JONES Mabel Annie Neath 11a 1572
LLEWELLYN Rachel Hannah Neath 11a 1572

he married one of JONES or LLEWELLYN

you haven't given any dates, your father's birthdate is important to know.

Your dad's death record gives his date of birth

Name: Leslie Lloyd Powell-Hill (notice the spelling of Leslie)
Birth Date: 14 Jan 1913
Death Registration Month/Year: Aug 1994
Age at death (estimated): 81
Registration district: Mid Powys
Inferred County: Powys
Register number: 7C
District and Subdistrict: 8672
Entry number: 92

but I can't find a birth record to match as Hill or Powell-Hill.

Can you please give an idea of when William Rhys Powell-Hill died as I can't find a death to match under any variation of that name, or a birth.

If his death record could be found it would give his age when he died which would help for searching for his birth.

The best thing to do is order his 1908 marriage certificate because it will tell you who he married and what his age and his father's name were and this is important for finding more informatio about him.

1911 census

HILL WILLIAM RHYS 1877 34 Neath Glamorganshire
HILL MABEL ANNIE 1887 24
HILL FLORENCE ETHEL 1887 24 - sister
HILL IVY JOSEPHINE 1910 1

this is from a free search at http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx

so William married Mabel Annie Jones.

Births Sep 1909
Hill Ivy Josephine Neath 11a 1030

could this be Leslie

Births Mar 1913
Hill Leslie Jones Newport M. 11a 617

I think this could be William's birth

Births Sep 1878
POWELL William Rhys Brecknock 11b 105

so the question would be why and how and when he took on the surname Hill, possibly his mother was Powell and she married Mr Hill.

Name: Ivy J Hill
Spouse Surname: Poulton
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1937
Registration district: Coventry
Registration county (inferred): Warwickshire
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 1508

Name: Ivy Josephine Poulton
Birth Date: 5 Aug 1909
Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 1993
Age at death (estimated): 83
Registration district: Coventry
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Register number: A43A
District and Subdistrict: 0631A
Entry number: 130
to Ernest J Poulton

????

there are several Poulton births with mother Hill in Coventry in the 1930s and 1940s

Name: Ernest James Poulton
Birth Date: 1 Sep 1907
Death Registration Month/Year: 1969
Registration district: Coventry
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 1906

the more names and dates and places you have, the more you can search for in family trees at this website, Search Trees button

fathers death certificate says leslie lloyd powell-hill bod 14-1-1913 died on 27-7-1994.he married olive godwin from pyle mid glamorgan. on 9-10-1937 his fathers name was willian rhys powell hill they came from port talbot so trying to find grand parents

you are welcome from all of me, lol.



fathers death certificate says leslie lloyd powell-hill bod 14-1-1913 died on 27-7-1994.

................... yes I know, I posted the record from the GRO index.

As I said I was not able to find a death record or birth record for William Rhys Powell Hill and I think he was probably born William Rys Powell.

so again if you could say an approximate year when he died that could help find the death record.



also would like there marrage certificate

............. I gave you the information for getting the marriage certificate

Marriages Dec 1908
EVANS Evan Bethuel Neath 11a 1572
HILL William Rhys P Neath 11a 1572 <<
JONES Mabel Annie Neath 11a 1572
LLEWELLYN Rachel Hannah Neath 11a 1572

we know from the 1911 census that he married Mabel Annie Jones and had daughter Ivy Josephine Jones. You can order the marriage certificate with the information I gave you from the GRO, order it in his name only

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ ............... order certificates online

that certificate will tell you the name of his father if he gave it when he married although it might not be correct, sometimes people gave their stepfather's name and so on. And it will tell you his age, so with that information it would help find his birth record and maybe find him in a census with his parents.

I think the William Rhys Powell person I mentioned would not be right, here is his marriage

Births Sep 1878
POWELL William Rhys Brecknock 11b 105

Marriages Sep 1903
POWELL William Rhys Brecknock 11b 113
to Sarah Ann Frost or Catherine Louisa Doyle
I think Doyle since there are several Powell births with mother Doyle in Brecknock.

Could this be your grandfather's death

Name: William R Hill
Death Registration Month/Year: 1956
Age at death (estimated): 79
Registration district: Pontypool
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 8c
Page: 308

that is a birth year of about 1877 which is the same age as William Rhys Hill was in the 1911 census.

could this be his birth

Births Mar 1877
Hill William Rees Newport, M. 11a 255

but Port Talbot is in Neath registration district so maybe

Births Mar 1877
Hill William Neath 11a 611

or
Births Jun 1877
Powell William Neath 11a 587

lynne ..............

please stop starting new messages about the same thing ...............

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/powellhill/thread/1257073

when you have one here already and tehe other one about Godwin and you have not even answered my messages here

chrissiex------------- if you tell me wot board there on now i will try to remove them.are you the same chrissiex that stated i only wonted prebate to get my hands on some thing, if so you couldn't be more WRONG as i am trying to get a house back that has been in my family for yrs, now a distant relation lives in it that nobody even knows,as my cousin and her children have now where to live i said if she applied for probate i would do this part ,as she has no computer plus i wonted to know where the name got hyphated so i did wont that out of it.i think its very suspicious of you to think like that is that the sort of behavior you would think of doing?-------lynne

excuse me lynne I said no such thing as that you "only wonted prebate to get my hands on some thing"

so I am afraid you are the one who could not be more WRONG, and more unpleasant

this entire tale has made no sense to quite a few people not just me

to probate a will you never have to prove your relationship to someone ........ unless the person leaves their estate to 'my children' or 'my nieces' and you have to prove you are one.

so this makes no sense to anyone.

no one really cares what anyone's reasons for doing family history are as long as it really is family and with you telling so many versions of what your connection to Arthur godwin is it just made no sense any way you looked at it.

this thread is about powell hill and you have not bothered to reply to anything I posted for you here so maybe I am the one who should be deleting now since the time I spent was clearly of no use to you

please keep all of your cheap personal remarks to yourself

by the way, the first thing i would do in your situation, whatever on earth it is, is retain a solicitor, and that is what I would recommend to anyone eslse who has to deal with wills and property

chrissiex my fathers lesley lloyd powell-hill birthday is 14th january 1913 died 27th july 1994 rhayader powys hope this helps. i have written this before.i have never said any where that you have not been helpful

Lynne, I put those details for Lesley at the very beginning of the thread

I asked you when your grandfather died, you didn't answer

I posted a possible death record for your grandfather, you didn't answer

I posted a possible birth for your grandfather, you didn't answer

I posted the registration information for your grandparents' marriage, you didn't answer

I suggested you get some of these certificates which will give you some information you need, you didn't answer

I explained that your father's name is spelled Leslie, not Lesley, and you pay no attention

I explained that there is no birth of a Leslie L Hill or a Leslie L Powell born in January 1913 registered in the first half of 1913

There is no birth of a Hill in Rhayader registration district in that time

There are 3 Powell births in Rhayader registration district in that time, the names are Albert E, Trevor E P and Florence M

Those are all searches you can do yourself at freebmd to check yourself

You have not apologised for accusing me of saying something I didn't say and I'm sorry but your explanation of what this is all about just makes no sense to anyone who reads it

The only way someone can apply for probate is if there is a _will_, probate is about wills. If you have a will I don't know what you need any of this information for, and it isn't even clear what information you want at this point.

All I can say is that if you do not want to take advice and for instance get your grandparents' marriage certificate and your parents' marriage certificate and the death certifiate that looks like it could be your grandfather's ........... well, there isn't anything else anyone can say, it seems.

The only way to _know_ anything is to order certificates.

you do not need the bride's name to order this certificate

Marriages Dec 1908
HILL William Rhys P Neath 11a 1572

the only way to tell whether this birth belongs to that marriage is to get this certificate

I can't see how it can opssibly not be your William ...... William Rhys P(owell) Hill .........

Births Mar 1913
Hill Leslie Jones Newport M. 11a 617

birth dates on the death certificates of people who died at a very old age are not always correct, they are just what the person or their child or whoever registered the death thought

As far as a very lage family, maybe William or Mabel remarried ..... or had children with a partner they didn't marry .....

but unless you start by finding who your father's parents were you can't start looking for that

and the only thing I can suggest for that is to get the two certificates above

I still have no idea what this has to do with probating a will and you don't want to explain it seems but I hope you will feel better and be able to start sorting this out by getting those certificates