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I am unable to trace any records for the birth of David Lawrence (dob-30 Oct 1933) we believe was born in Bermondsey.

If as we have been told he was adopted would this be the reason why we cannot trace any records?
Thanks for any help you can give

I have a copy of the death certificate but it doesn,t state where born, it just states date of birth England,

I was adopted (1954) and only my birth name appears in the records.

Andy

Thanks Andrew
I am assuming that I may not be able to find his 'real' surname that's if it wasn't Lawrence.

margery

Are you sure he was adopted? There is this death record


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about David Lawrence
Name: David Lawrence
Birth Date: 30 Oct 1933
Death Registration Month/Year: Feb 1997
Age at death (estimated): 63
Registration district: Northampton
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Register number: B53B
District and Subdistrict: 6701B
Entry number: 60


I cant find a birth record to match this death so Im assuming this is where you got his DOB from?

I suppose there is always the chance that his birth was not registered?

Was there any chance he was born before his mothers marriage so would be registered in her maiden surname,?

If he was adopted, his first name may have been changed also.

I have just spoken to my daughter in law and she has said that she was always told her father was adopted and born in Bermondsey but she's not sure that is correct.
I got his date of birth from both her and on his death certificate.

So not sure where to go from here, any suggestions?

Thanks
Margery

My name changed completley on adoption, and my adopted name is not in the records. If this is the case here, then you may need the original paperwork to find birth name.

Andy

Andy, thanks for this, can I ask how and where would we get the original ppaerwork from?

Thanks
Margery

I think you'll find that only the adopted person has the right to access adoption papers...........if it isn't the case, I'm sure someone will correct me.

I think only the adopted child OR the parents can apply for access to the adoption records.

If the adopted child is dead, I think a sibling may apply with proof of death of the adoptee and of the parents.


Not sure where children come in.

Debra
Thanks for this information, it seems so awful that the daughter cannot apply for these records. This must mean this search comes to a full stop.

Thank you all for your help
Margery

Sorry but only the adopted person can ask for their records .When they die then their records are closed and cannot be accessed by anyone .

Ginny, those sons of unmarried parents might be living (1933) and not want their birth details posted here, lol.

Yes of course chrissiex ...you dont need to LOL as you make a good point


..and as they were totally unacknolwedged I'll delete them


Best of luck Margery


Incidentally Margery, you don’t say how you are related?

After all this time my daughter in law and i think that david lawrence could have had a surname of Briddon, so am hoping that this may lead to some information on her dad, on the other hand it may be a wild card, but we just dont seem to be getting any where.
Any advice is always appreciated

Thanks
margery

if the birthdate is accurate ... there were 5 Briddon births registered in the last quarter of 1933

I will not put them here as the people could be living but search at freebmd

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

specifying Dec quarter 1933 and you will find them ... always look in freebmd

2 were in London and 3 were in Derbyshire ... actually only one was a boy and that was David in London ... this could seem promising

although he died in Northamptonshire does no one know where he lived during his life ? your daughter in law was not in touch with her dad ?

this is looking quite promising

there is no death for that David Briddon

there is no marriage for a David Briddon ( with no middle name ) that would seem to match up ... there are marriages 1947 and 1960 in Lancashire but I would guess they are both the David born 1923 in Lancashire ...

find the birth at freebmd and that will give you the mother's surname and you will see that this birth does seem a very good candidate

the information at freebmd will also give you the details you need for ordering the birth certificate here

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Hi Chrissiex
Thank you for this information.
I have ordered the birth certificate.

My daughter in law was in contact with her dad, but he never said anything, apparently her mother had loads of his papers but wont hand anything over, so the information you have given does seem really promising.

Many thanks to you and everyone for help with this.

I will let you know how it turns out once the certificate is received.

Margery

you're welcome, it does look like a really good probability, if the actual birthdates do match you would have a virtual certainty so I would say go ahead and post the info here if so and we can lend a hand further if you need.