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Ok Sorry folk , forgot how this works, but your all so amazing at this

I have their marriage cert which Ann got right they married in Bow Poplar Middlesex and it says they where living in Bow. Father Carpenter

I have

The 1871, 1881 but nothing before them dates

I also have Carpenter, Farmer, Beer house Man ?????

I have Thomas their sons birth cert, which states
26 Elizabeth Street Brixton which matches Census

Thomas was a Gardner Marriage cert

None of this make sense, it more like a who done it than a family tree

Sorry I've just seen to other points

Death 1909 Wandsworth Surrey

Yes on the Census it says

Place of Birth 1871,1881 Havering Essex

1891 place of birth Lambeth Gardner

but you may want to take a look at this

I have looked at that last night, still not seeing him before the marriage even the witnesses on the marriage cert do not look like family although I cannot work out one of the names.
That tree also shows a birth reg in West Ham which is closer than Colchester....but why say Havering if born in the West Ham area?

jax

I've just looked through the 1841 Census changed the search to Lambeth Brixton still no joy

Some else did the family tree before me and they took the elmstead Essex option but that has so many loop holes

Just had an Idea when I was doing my tree if the child had the same first
name as the father he used he's second name do you think we should be looking for

David William Carter

You dont know for sure that David was his father anyway but its worth a try

jax

Sorry i have william and kezia marriage cert thanks to ann

William Carter
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Spouse Name: Kezia Humphries
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 15 Aug 1862
Parish: St Mary Stratford Bow
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: David Carter
Spouse Father Name: Henry Humphries

Yes I have seen it too but just because he said his fathers name was David and he was a carpenter does not mean it was true

jax

Some thing about this family has got to be true, actually no it doesn't :)

So where do I go from here ???? other than a padded cell :)
any idea's

The wall getting taller and bigger and don't know where to go next with these two

Can any one find these two in the 1851 or 1861 Census maybe living in
Bow Poplar as this is where they got married

name: Kezia HUMPHRIES Birth: 12 Dec 1844
White Roothing,Dunmow,Essex,England

name: William Carter abt 1941 Essex ?

just to note that these are the birthplaces given for her in later censuses

Name: Kezia Carter
Spouse: William Carter
Birth: abt 1845 - Dunmow, Essex, England
Residence: 1871 - Brixton, Lambeth St Mary, Surrey, England

Name: R. Carter
[Kezia Carter]
Spouse: William Carter
Birth: abt 1843 - White Roothing
Residence: 1881 - Lambeth, London, England

do you know the person who has corrected her name at Ancetry in the 1881 census?

the correction was made almost a year ago, and the person has logged in to Ancestry sometime in the last 6 months, and lives in Australia, but has given no explanation for why they made the correction (the image does look like R)


her birth registration

Births Mar 1845
Humphries Kezia Dunmow 12 83

Dunmow includes the Roothing-Rodings.

This person certainly matches the father info for Keziah

Name: Henry Humphries
Birth: abt 1795 - White Roothing, Essex, England
Residence: 1861 - White Roothing, Essex, England

Name: Henry Humphrey
Birth: abt 1801 - White Roothing, Essex, England
Residence: 1871 - White Roothing, Essex, England

Name: Henry Humphries
Birth: abt 1801 - White Roothing, Essex, England
Residence: 1881 - White Roothing, Essex, England


his household in 1861

Henry Humphries 66 widowed ag lab
Lucy E Humphries 14 in 1871 she is Lucy Lambert
Edward Humphries 58

A submitted record in the IGI has the mother of Keziah as Susannah Cass

so this would be hear death probably

Deaths Mar 1853
Humphries Susan Dunmow 4a 238

however if she was the same age as Henry, if I have the right Henry, she was really too old to have a child in 1847

Births Jun 1847
HUMPHRIES Lucy Emma Dunmow 12 84


I can't find any of them in 1841 or 1851 for love nor money and can't find Kezia in 1861

Birth/Christening, 1815 - 1855, Essex, England, British Isles
Father: Henry Humphries,
Mother: Susannah

1. KEZIA HUMPHRIES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 12 DEC 1844 Great Dunmow, Essex, England
2. John Humphries - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 DEC 1827 White Roding, Essex, England
3. Henry Humphries - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 AUG 1829 White Roding, Essex, England
4. Charles Humphries - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 JUN 1832 White Roding, Essex, England
5. William Humphries - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 01 MAR 1834 White Roding, Essex, England
6. Charles Humphries - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 JUN 1832 White Roding, Essex, England
7. Henry Humphries - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 AUG 1829 White Roding, Essex, England
8. John Humphries - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 DEC 1827 White Roding, Essex, England
9. William Humphries - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 01 MAR 1834 White Roding, Essex, England
10. Mary Humphries - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 JAN 1843 White Roding, Essex, England
11. Eliza Humphries - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 24 FEB 1839 White Roding, Essex, England
12. Sarah Humphries - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 23 MAR 1834 White Roding, Essex, England

they all seem to be 'submitted records' with mother as Susan or Susannah Cass or Cast

there is a submitted record for a Susannah Cass or Cast born in 1782 which seems improbable

You should get Kezia's birth certificate I think.

So this household matches that list

1841

Henary Humphry 40
Susan Humphry 30
John Humphry 13
Henary Humphry 11
Charles Humphry 9
William Humphry 7
Eliza Humphry 2

Civil Parish: White Roothing

yeeeeeesh

1851

Name: Kesrah Humphrey
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Visitor
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: White Roothing, Essex, England

James Clayton 51
Mary Clayton 50
Kesrah Humphrey 6

Civil Parish: Chigwell
County/Island: Essex


once I stopped searching for kez* and tried ke*h

1861

Name: Kesiah Humphreys
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Servant - house servant
Gender: Female
Where born: White Rothing, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Chigwell
County/Island: Essex

Mary E Bodle 64 landed proprietor
Emma Ailey 25
Francis Ailey 38
Kesiah Humphreys 16
William Carles 20


I am going to place my bet for who WILLIAM CARLES is, LOL!


Name: William Carles >>> of course the image says CARTER (the T is not crossed)
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Servant - domestic (coachman)
Gender: Male
Where born: Havering, Essex, England

chrissiex I think you have done it :)

This looks like the family

But it opens more questions than answers

One year later they are married in Bow 1862

Kezia says she 20yrs at time of marriage

William age is right, but he now a Gardner

Me thinks there maybe a baby involved here somewhere.

There no address on the marriage cert only Bow. Do you know if the address would be held on record, or did they only have to give the area they livged in to get married ?????

Thank you so much I may not need the padded cell yet x

chrissiex

I've just had a look at the 1881 census and I don't know the person who changed it, I will see if they will give me promise to look at their tree

I don't think there are any records other than the marriage certificate, for an address at time of marriage.

Just a word of advice when contacting someone else here or at Ancestry, people including me generally recommend not starting with asking to see someone's tree, which can be somewhat private so that can be seen as a slightly intrusive approach, but rather offering information about your connection with the people in question and what you are wanting to find out, and then asking whether maybe you are related and whether they can tell you anything about the people.

Thank you for the advice I will keep it in mind if I do decide to contact them, and thank you very much for your time and help