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Certificates ordered! Will be waiting for the post every day now! Lol!

Thank you both so much for all your help!

Nik. xx

Thank you Chrissiex, just ordered the certificates now!

Thank you Ann. I always thought it had come into being in the 1800s.

Nicola,

"Formal" adoption came into being in England/Wales in 1927. Formal being signed agreements, legal documents etc and being kept on record.

Annx

ah yes, the stupid Ancestry transcription doesn't give the quarter

........ I'm opening the image .........

Name: Augusta L White
Death Registration Month/Year: 1958 >> jul-aug-sep quarter
Age at death (estimated): 67
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 2a
Page: 251

the index doesn't say the month, just the quarter, so that's all you need

Chrissiex - please can you tell me if you know the month in which Augusta L. White's death was registered? Trying to order the certificate but I can't find that information.

Thank you!

I hadn't even realised that they went by Walker. Thank you for pointing that out to me! Wish you could help me out with the whole family tree lol!

I didn't realise you couldn't adopt in those days.

Notice they were all called Walker in the 1911 census with Hague as a middle name.

That shows they went by Walker ordinarily. There wasn't really a formal way for ordinary people to change their names, for instance adoption (by the stepfather) didn't happen at the time.

It was even common for people to marry and die under their informal (stepfather's) surname, but we can see that Augusta had her child in 1917 under her own surname.

Haha, I am Ann! Can you tell??!! LOL!!!!

Maybe they were trying to hide the fact that they weren't all his children but then why didn't they change their surnames??!!

Nik. xx

oops, I got left behind, good 1911 there!

On the 1911 census I posted, they state they have been married 21 years 6 children born to the marriage and 6 still living.

Obviously they have not understood the questions on the form, as 4 children are Hague, and they had been married approx 9years

Nicola.......are you still excited!!!!!!!! lol

Annx

Thank you both so, so, much for all your help! ;o) I really, really appreciate it!

Can't believe she was married (there can't have been that many Augustas around) when the family didn't know....or just didn't pass on the information.

I guess that's families for you! Haha!

right so this is John's death, age matches dob 1851

Deaths Jun 1898
Hague John 47 Sculcoates 9d 133

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!



1911 census - household transcription
Person: WALKER, Alice Ida
Address: 7 Beatrice Avenue Division Road Hull

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Name Relation Condition/
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Year Occupation Where Born Original
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WALKER, John Henry Husband Married
21 years M 42 1869 Labourer At Sea VIEW
WALKER, Alice Ida Wife Married F 45 1866 Hull Yorkshire VIEW
WALKER, Agustia Lavina Hague Daughter Singel F 17 1894 Cannister Worker Enfortler Hull Yorkshire VIEW
WALKER, Albert Edward Hague Son Single M 18 1893 Fish Cleaner Hull Yorkshire VIEW
WALKER, Evar Fenwick Hague Daughter Single F 17 1894 Cannister Works Hull Yorkshire VIEW
WALKER, Charles Henry Hague Son Single M 15 1896 Hull Yorkshire VIEW
WALKER, John Henry Son M 8 1903 Hull Yorkshire VIEW
WALKER, Alice Ida Daughter F 4 1907 Hull Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
28799 Reference:
RG14PN28799 RG78PN1652 RD522 SD2 ED30 SN97

Registration District:
Hull Sub District:
Myton Enumeration District:
30 Parish:
Holy Trinity and St Mary

Address:
7 Beatrice Avenue Division Road Hull County:
Yorkshire (East riding)

I can't remember all the details at the moment I'm afraid! I've had two children since I last really looked at the family tree and then haven't really had time.

I know that Alice Ida Ferrand married John Hague b. 1851 (Augusta's father), then Frederick Ernest Farrah b. c. 1861, then John Henry Walker b. c. 1868. It's a bit of a tricky family! My Nanna, Alice Lavinia Hague/Himsworth/Halliday was brought up thinking her mum was her sister. Think she was about 10 when she found out the truth.

well good for Ann for finding the possible marriage!

slight difference for mother's surname

Marriages Sep 1890
Dixon James William Sculcoates 9d 227
Farrah Alice Ida Sculcoates 9d 227 <<<
HAGUE John Sculcoates 9d 227 <<<
White Emily Sculcoates 9d 227

except her birth is

Births Sep 1865
Ferrand Alice Ida Sculcoates 9d 145

whoops, here's a marriage for that one, these are the only occurrences of the name and there's no birth for Alice Ida Farrah

Marriages Dec 1885
Broadwell Henry Sculcoates 9d 337
Coates Elizabeth Sculcoates 9d 337
Farrah Frederick Ernest Sculcoates 9d 337
FERRAND Alice Ida Sculcoates 9d 337 <<<

??


oh ........... duh, lol ............ she married Frederick Ernest Farrah first, then John Hague !

I think Alice remarried

Marriages Jun 1902
Clunn James Sculcoates 9d 255
Hague Alice Ida Sculcoates 9d 255 <<<
Oakes Elizabeth Sculcoates 9d 255
WALKER John Henry Sculcoates 9d 255

possibly in 1901 Alice and Augusta were already under the stepfather's surname ?

Well done Chrissie...........this could be her then, reverting back to the shortened version LOL.

Her parents Alice & John...............Nicola.....are you sure of the name John?

I can find a couple of Alice Hagues but not with John and no sign of Augusta at the moment.

Annx

Oh thank you chrissiex! I'll bet that's right! I really need to buy the certificates now!

I'm really excited....sad, I know! ;o)

That's all I have really, apart from the names and d.o.b. of the children she had.

I haven't been able to find a death certificate for her but maybe that was 'cause her surname wasn't Hague. Her last known address was Jalland Street, off Holderness Road, Hull. We think it was some time in the 50s that she died as my Mum was born in 1949 and was only young but remembers it happening.

Thank you so much for helping me!

this seems to match the marriage and the dob would be 1891

Name: Augusta L White
Death Registration Month/Year: 1958
Age at death (estimated): 67
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 2a
Page: 251