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Amanda

Amanda Report 8 Feb 2011 06:44

Hitrying to find more info about Sadie towell married a swan in 1934 later divorced I believe she went on to marry in 1947 a akin Ali.she may have left for Canada in1951. I cannot find a birth record for her in the uk so was wondering if she may originally have been from Canada? Does anybody know how to look up records in Canada? I have no idea if she ever returned to this country.not a lot to go on I know but any help would be very much appreciated .I do not def know that she went to Canada and if she did she may have moved on from there. Thankyou mandi

ChristineinPortugal

ChristineinPortugal Report 8 Feb 2011 07:43

For ref, here's her marriage.

Marriages Sep 1934

Swan Hector E Towell Stockport 8a 16
Towell Sadie E L Swan Stockport 8a 16

Do you have the certficate for her full names and age?

Christine

Andrew

Andrew Report 8 Feb 2011 08:00

Maybe

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Sadie Towell
Name: Sadie Towell
Birth Date: abt 1917
Age: 17
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 13 Mar 1934
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Boston
[Halifax]
Ship Name: Scythia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Scythia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Cunard White Star
Official Number: 143730

Andy

Amanda

Amanda Report 8 Feb 2011 08:16

Hi Christine and Andrew her name is Sadie Evelyn towell there is another middle name will have a look. Do you think she could of been born in the USA? And andrew thanks so much hand,t seen that one I found one with her leaving the country in about 1951. Any more info gratefully received you certainly do work fast .thankyou

Dea

Dea Report 8 Feb 2011 08:26

The marriage from Cheshire Bmd shows her full name:

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1934
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference

TOWELL Sadie Evelyn Lucille SWAN Hector Emmanuel Brinksway, St Augustine Stockport ST2/3/126

Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 8 Feb 2011 08:37

She arrived in England with her family:

Irene aged 14, scholar (her sister?)

+ parents?

Oscar aged 49, Candymaker
Mina aged 40, housewife.

Country of last permenant residence for them all was Canada.

They were going to live at:

44, Brown Lane, Heald Green, Cheshire.

Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 8 Feb 2011 08:47

Mum, dad, and sister Irene returned to Canada a few years later, without Sadie:

passenger transcript details
Name: Oscar TOWELL
Date of departure: 22 October 1937
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Montreal, Canada
Passenger destination: Montreal, Canada

Date of Birth: 1884 (calculated from age)
Age: 53
Marital status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Farmer

The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Irene TOWELL (17) Domestic
Nina TOWELL (44) Housewife

Ship:
DUCHESS OF RICHMOND

Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 8 Feb 2011 09:11

We need to know which region of Canada to do any searches as each region
has it's own records and regulations.

Looks like Ontario might be a good bet to start with?

Name: Oscar Towell

Birth Date: 21 Feb 1884
Birthplace: York, York, Ontario

Father's Name: W. Towell

Mother's Name: Sarah Howth

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01620-7
System Origin: Canada-EASy
Source Film Number: 1845871
Reference Number: cn 41393
Collection: Canada Births and Baptisms, 1661-1959

Dea x

(from Familysearch Pilot site)

Dea

Dea Report 8 Feb 2011 09:31

If her birth was in Ontario then the info could not be found online as it applies a 100 year rule for this info - you could try contacting these people:

Ontario

In Ontario, civil registration dates from July 1, 1869. The Archives of Ontario holds records of births from 1869 to 1913, marriages from 1869 to 1928, and deaths from 1869 to 1938. Incomplete marriage registers prior to 1869 are also available.

Due to the large demand, staff members at that office are unable to undertake genealogical searches in these vital records. However, microfilm copies of the nominal indexes and the original registrations are available through inter-institutional loan from the Archives of Ontario and through your local Family History LibraryTM. Should you prefer to hire someone to search through those records on your behalf, the Archives of Ontario can provide a list of researchers.

For births after 1908, marriages after 1923, and deaths after 1933, requests should be addressed to:

Registrar General [www.orgforms.gov.on.ca/eForms/start.do?lang=en]
PO Box 4600
Thunder Bay, ON
P7B 6L8


They should at least be able to point you in the right direction.

Dea x

Amanda

Amanda Report 8 Feb 2011 09:34

To dea I am so excited I have been looking for years and found just bits and then today you found all this.!!!!sadie remarried a akin Ali but I think I have found her going back to Halifax in Canada in 1951 as Sadie Ali but I don't think akin sailed with her??how would I start looking for any relatives in Canada do you know? Sorry with all the questions but this is amazing !!! Perhaps the sister had a family?? Thankyou so much for all your help and does anyone know how to trace marriages births and deaths in Canada please thankyou mandi x

Amanda

Amanda Report 8 Feb 2011 09:57

Hi colin my father in law was one of her sons but is there another? This is what I wanted to find out? This is amazing where can I find out about another son?? Please thankyou so much if you have any info about the other son I would be so grateful thankyou mandi

Dea

Dea Report 8 Feb 2011 10:00

Looks like W. Towell died and Sarah re-married before 1911:
1911Census Ontario:

Fenwick Henry M Head M Aug 1840 70 1901
Fenwick Sarah M Wife M Apr 1843 68 1901
Towell Osker M *stepson* S Feb 1884 27 1901 *****

Fenwick Thomas M Head M May 1872 39 1901
Fenwick Gertrude F Wife M Dec 1884 26 1901
Fenwick Martha F Daughter S Mar 1907 4 1901
Fenwick Clara F Daughter S Aug 1909 1 1901

Dea x




Dea

Dea Report 8 Feb 2011 10:09

Hi again,

I have to go and get my 2 year old grandson just now - we have him for the day on Tuesdays.

Will take a further look for you when we have taken him home.

It's not very easy to research in Canada but I have a few sites which I will look up for you.

See you later,

Dea x

Amanda

Amanda Report 8 Feb 2011 10:13

Hi Colin just had a quick look at free bmd and I see there was another son Samuel h swan but he died looks like at birth. Nobody really ever heard from Sadie once her first marriage ended and I have pieced together odd bits of information from her first husband but unfortunately all of them have passed away so this is my last ditch attempt to find something out for my children and it is amazing . Now would be amazing to find a member of the family alive in Canada or anywhere I am so grateful for every bodies help thankyou mandi x

Amanda

Amanda Report 8 Feb 2011 10:15

To dea thankyou so much and another family joined to the towells may make it easier to find information thankyou again mandi x

Amanda

Amanda Report 8 Feb 2011 10:57

Hi Colin no he didn,t I actually knew Hector and that's where I got the little bit of info I did know. Was very surprised to find out today that they only knew each other for a short while before they married. I have been trying to find info since about 2000 but got nowhere and unfortunately Hector passes away the same year and nobody knew anything so just been looking and looking . Thankyou so much . Hector was from Stockport and his family from wales. So they must of met when she arrived in the country mandi x

Amanda

Amanda Report 8 Feb 2011 10:59

Hi no sorry I knew Hector he was born in Stockport so they must of met when she arrived in the country thankyou mandi x

Amanda

Amanda Report 8 Feb 2011 11:04

Oh actually just looked at that sorry didn't notice when I mailed you just now it does look like it could be ! Seems Hector bless him only told me some of the story . I know he comes from the Stockport north wales area but was quite a fractured family I think so may have to look at that again there were a few hectors but I think they were older and that is the right year for him to be born . Thankyou mandi x

Dea

Dea Report 8 Feb 2011 11:23

The Hector arriving on 11th Dec., 1933 which Colin found has to be him as he went to the same address that Sadie and her family went to in Cheshire when they arrived !

Dea x

Amanda

Amanda Report 8 Feb 2011 11:41

Hi Hector was born 3rd September 1912 in nuneaton. He had an uncle I think he was called Hector as well who was a preacher of some sort and he used to travel to America and places . I know the two were close so maybe my Hector was travelling to see his uncle and the elder Hector was maybe friends of the towels mandi x