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Jan, How do you manage to find all of the family living together. I have to have a look at the actual image and try to find it myself. Its difficult to see sometimes.

1871 Census

Name Albert Farrar
Age 17
Estimated Year of Birth 1854
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation
Address Dawsons Court
District Leeds, Leeds, North
Parish Leeds
Administrative County Yorkshire
Birth Place Yorkshire
Birth County Yorkshire

Mary Farrar 46
James 19?
Albert 17
Sarah 16
Ada 3
Annie 10 months?
Then theres a lodger I cant make out.

1861 England Census

Name: Albert Farrah
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Mary Farrah
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Leeds
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds

Mary Farrah 35
Grace Farrah 16
James Farrah 9
Albert Farrah 7
Sarah Farrah 5
Elizabeth Hardgrave 24

Where did you get this??? This doesn't show up on Genes Reunited???

Lee

I use Ancestry. I imagine you are accessing Findmypast records as owned by same company as Genes. Names often mis-transcribed so it's worked well using both sites. HOWEVER I would recommend when you reach the point of renewing on Genes you revert to basic membership and subscribe somewhere else as Genes is pretty rubbish for census, BMD's etc.

At last!

1871 England Census

Name: Albert Farran
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Mary Farran
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: Leeds
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds

Mary Farran 46
James Farran 19
Albert Farran 17
Sarah Farran 16
Ada Farran 3
Annie Farran 11 Months
John Parkinson 36

My families name is Farrar though?

Not Farran or Farrah.

Does that matter?

Ahh so is ancestory better?

Lee

Big and important piece of advice! Don't get caught up on exact spellings. Firstly most people were illiterate back then so spellings were varied, in fact variations were perfectly acceptable. The person who recorded the census door-to-door (the enumerator) wrote what he heard. And when the people who transcribe the originals look at them they have to interpret what they see - as you say the entries can be hard to read.
Farrar is going to be a name which gets messed up quite a bit!

Re. Ancestry. Well, most people fo or that site, though others favour FindMy Past. Both offer slightly different things but are better than Genes by a long way, I think most people will agree.

Personally I have basic Genes and basic Ancestry, and for the odd thing I need in addition I ask for someone to be kind enough to look for me. It's a sort of mutual help situation!

Jan

Yeh I get where your coming from. You've been very helpful to me which I appreciate.

I think that I will probably join Ancestory when this runs out, I just wish I had been taking this seriously when I did my free trial in september...

And yes, I should know about how illiterate the people were. I'm studying history at university...

Again thanks very much.

Lee

Well, I wish you all the best Lee. My son wants to do History too co-incidentally!

You could also try searching Farrow. I have Farrow in my tree and it often shows as Farrer/Farrar - particularly much further back. A lot might depend on the accent if they were giving information verbally.

Jill

Were from Yorkshire so possibly. Some of our accents are dodgy haha.

I never knew it could be this confusing, plus for all I know I could be completely off track. Any idea how I can go further back than 1841?

Lee

Before you get carried away do make sure you are not off-track! It's very exciting when you get lots of info, but as a historian you know the boring bits are vital. So take a deep breath and double-check starting with what you know for sure.

Regarding pre-1841, you can go back in a sense as people around on the census were obviously born earlier, sometimes considerably so.

Births, marriages and deaths were registered from Sept quarter 1837 onwards though not compulsory till - I think - 1875, so some might be missing. Before that it's parish records.

Check out the familysearch site:

www.familysearch.org

And very good for BMD's 1837-1945ish:

/www.freebmd.org.uk

Jan

In n 1871 Mary Farran head tailoress with son Albert (a herring currer).
James age 19 + 1850/1 so this must be the John on 1851 census,John and James were often interchanged.
Sarah age 16 daughter.
Ada age 3 daughter so who is the dad?
Annie 3months
1881 Mary farrar Tailoress
Sarah 25 Binder sewer.
Ada 13.

1891Sarah farrar 1856 is with Aunt Sarah Appleyard born Holmfirth 1822.
1901 Sarah Freyman (Farrar) still with Sarah Appleyard as Aunt.
1911 Sarah Farrar single born 1856 Leeds Book sewer
10,Kent Street Leeds.

1861 Mary Farrah has daughter Grace 1844/5 with her so when you look for Grace in 1851 she is with
1851 North Leeds D 2m > 41.
James Farrar born Bradford 1826 a confectioner
Mary @ 1829 born leeds
Grace 1844/5 Leeds
John/James 1850 leeds.

Maryb
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Right found the Aunty Sarah Appleyard.

Sarah Hemingway 1822 (she had sister Mary 1826 who married James Farrar 1825 and had Albert,Grace etc.)

Sarah married in leeds O/N/D 1850 to John Fawcett.
1851 in Holbeck D3r > 31

1860 Sarah Fawcett marries Benjamin Appleyard a (tailor)in leeds.

Maryb

Thanks Jan. Yeah of course, I always try to start again and again. The amount of paper I have discarded has been, well to be frank, quite a lot. With my Paternal Side, Brook, which is my Surname. I find two of the same Cyrils born 10 years apart. Apart from that, everything is identical. I could only distinguish who was the one related to me because my Grandad's sister has done one.

Maryb, I noticed that a lot of the names change. Didn't think to make it easier for their ancestors did they lol...

I just wish that with the Census this year, that everything will be perfect and that in 100 years time when it gets published. A relative of mine will be able to go as far back as I wish to. I'm seriously gutted that I have to wait 10 years for the next set to get published. I am very inpatient.

Also Jan, are them free sites any good? Also, how do I get a hold of Parish records? My grandma really thinks that her side of the family came from Ireland due to the surname Farrar. I now don't think so but it would be great if I could keep trying to go further back etc.

Thank you all for your help. Without it, i'd of had a worse headache than I do already.

Lee

Hi Lee.

Ragrding parish records, I would start with the Familysearch site. When you go there you see the new version, but there is an option to use the old search, personally I prefer that one. Click on "What's new" on the right, and you will see a link in the resulting page. Or go straight there:

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

There is also a site called something like online parish clerks (just googlem it) which I have neer used but people do recommend it so worth a look.

You must get to know the Freebmd site, absolutely invalusble. It has different search features to Ancestry, and is the first site most of us "helpers" look at for BMD's.

Jan

freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm

Easier to use than Familysearch if you know where they were born from Census records.

Ancestry UK best all round i think .

Ellen