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Most of the info above was found on the previous page I've just given my interpretation of it all.

Some one else may be able to point out something I've missed.

I would think the Frederick Muggeridge you mention is actually James Frederick Larkin as I mentioned earlier & that he & Albert are the illegitimate children of Caroline Larkin.

James Frederick may well be the son of John Muggridge but born before the marriage, unfortunately we can't prove or disprove this.

Right I think I've got my head round most of it.

If we look at 1871 census that shows the young Albert Larkin with Grandparents. Jacob & Charlotte.

Charlotte is actually Caroline Larkins Mother who married Jacob BARTUP in sep 1864.
Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
Bartup Jacob Rye 2b 3



It should read Step daughter for Harriet NOT Grandaughter.

Here she is with the Gills as a Lodger. It should read mother in law as she is the mother of Mary Gill nee Larkin

1881 England Census
about Charlotte Batcup
Name: Charlotte Batcup
Age: 71
Estimated birth year: abt 1810
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Beckley, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Peasmarsh
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address: Main Street
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Rye
Sub-registration district: Rye
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Gill 55
Mary Gill 49
James Gill 29
William Gill 13
John Gill 10
Alfred Gill 8
Charlotte Batcup 71


I would say your connection with these three names all centers around the Larkins.

Mary Larkin married Walter Gill in 1850.

Here is Mary with her mother Charlotte in 1841

1841 England Census
about Charlotte Larkin
Name: Charlotte Larkin
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Gender: Female
Where born: Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Beckley
Hundred: Goldspur
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Rye
Sub-registration district: Beckley
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Playford 60
Elisebeth Playford 55
Thomas Larkin 25
Charlotte Larkin 30
Mary Larkin 9
Sophia Larkin 7

& here is Caroline Larkin to link up with Mary & Charlotte

1851 England Census
about Charlotte Jackin
Name: Charlotte Jackin
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1810
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thomas Jackin
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Beckley, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Beckley
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Romney Marsh
Sub-registration district: New Romney
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Jackin 39
Charlotte Jackin 41
Sophia Jackin 17
Levi Jackin 8
Harriett Jackin 6
Caroline Jackin 4

I hope I've explained myself properly.

The Larkins are with the Bartups in 1871 because the grandnother Charlotte Larkin married Jacob.

The Gill connection is Mary Larkin.

A couple of paracetamols?? 2 bottles of brandy at the very least I would say.

brummiejan, I'm saving everything onto Word, then lots of spare paper, two paracetamols, several pens, (I've never written with my fingers crossed before!) the patience of Job and a prayer that it was all worth while in the first place...
I just think everyone on here is totally wonderful and I bow to superior knowledge. I think this has been the trickiest family link I've tackled so far (well, YOU have all tackled for me). But I'm sure I'll get my 'house in order' in the end with so much help flowing in.

They are a bit complicated but maybe it's becoming a bit clearer? or is it worse??

1881 England Census
about John Muggeridge
Name: John Muggeridge
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Caroline Muggeridge
Gender: Male
Where born: Waldron, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Guestling
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address: Friars Hill
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Ag Lab

Registration district: Hastings
Sub-registration district: Ore
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Muggeridge 38
Caroline Muggeridge 36
Albert Muggeridge 13 <<<<<< Larkin
Frederick Muggeridge 10 <<<<< Larkin ( James )

A big THANK YOU to all of you who have responded so far. I have a fair bit of garbled information already but it is difficult to put it into perspective without help. Names do change a lot it seems regards spelling, and 'Patrick' it seems is Batcup/Batecup & various other spellings.
Frederick Muggridge (later Muggeridge) is not such a problem and is related to me a fair way back through my grandmothers side.
I do thank you all and when any more info is gleaned I'll have to do a big shuffle and try to sort all these folks out. Perhaps I should have just ignored this side but don't we all like a challenge?
I had heard that Caroline had been in the workhouse and I think another member of her family was too. There is also a big connection with the Gill family as Mary Ann Larkin c 1862 married Walter Gill c1826, and so the names grow.
A final BIG thank you and keep any more info coming in PLEASE!
William

1871 England Census
about John Muggridge
Name: John Muggridge
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Muggridge
Gender: Male
Where born: Battle, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Battle
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration district: Battle
Sub-registration district: Battle
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 48
Household Members:
Name Age
John Muggridge 28
Elizabeth Muggridge 18

Deaths Jun 1871 (>99%)
Muggridge Elizabeth 17 Battle 2b 35
Muggridge Elizabeth 17 Battle 2b 35/D1871

Deaths Dec 1871 (>99%)
Muggridge Elizabeth 17 Battle 2b 29

I know you have this, I'm just posting for my own reference

1891 England Census
about John Muggridge
Name: John Muggridge
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Caroline Muggridge
Gender: Male
Where born: Waldron, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Guestling
Ecclesiastical parish: Guestling
Town: Guestling
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Hastings
Sub-registration district: Ore
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Muggridge 48
Caroline Muggridge 45
Albert Larkins 23

1851 England Census
about Amos John Batup
Name: Amos John Batup
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Beckley, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Brede
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Romney Marsh
Sub-registration district: New Romney
ED, institution, or vessel: 3c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob Batup 40
Ann Batup 32
Alfred Batup 14
Thomas Batup 12
Stephen Batup 3
Amos John Batup 1

& here's his death

Name: Amos John Batehup
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 30
District: Rye
County: Kent, Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 6

Jan I think its Batchup.

I've just read through the OPs post again & they are mentioned, hidden away in there at the end of the first paragraph.

Births Mar 1850 (>99%)
Bateup Amos John Rye 7 517


1861 England Census

Name: Amos Jno Batchuts
[Amos Jno Batehup]
[Amos Jno Batchup]
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's name: Jacob Batchuts
Mother's name: Ann Batchuts
Gender: Male
Where born: Brode, Sussex, England
[Brede, Sussex, England]

Civil Parish: Brede
County/Island: Sussex

Registration district: Rye
Sub-registration district: Beckley

Jacob Batchuts 50
Ann Batchuts 45
Thomas Batchuts 22
Stephen Batchuts 14
Amos Jno Batchuts 11

I would be inclined to assume that the Frederick you mention as the son of John Muggridge & Caroline is in fact James Frederick Larkin whose baptism is above as well as the 1871 census of James & Caroline in the workhouse together.

Not convinced by the Patrick surname looking at image, what does everyone think?

Thanks Chrisa, have sent correction. Nice find 1871 by the way!

1841 England Census
about Charlotte Larkin
Name: Charlotte Larkin
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Gender: Female
Where born: Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Beckley
Hundred: Goldspur
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Rye
Sub-registration district: Beckley
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Playford 60
Elisebeth Playford 55
Thomas Larkin 25
Charlotte Larkin 30
Mary Larkin 9 <<<<<<<<< Mary Gill??
Sophia Larkin 7

Albert maybe??

1871 England Census
about Albert Larkin
Name: Albert Larkin
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Grandson
Father's name: Amos Patrick
Gender: Male
Where born: Playden, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Brede
Ecclesiastical parish: Chichester
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration district: Rye
Sub-registration district: Beckley
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 48
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Patrick 61
Charlotte Patrick 61
Amos Patrick 21
Albert Larkin 3
Harriett Larkin 26 <<<<< Grandaughter

I agree Jan, it definitely looks like Larkin. Well spotted