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Hi Catherine,
Thanks for the help about a marriage cert on SP. Can understand the reasons, will follow up.
Thanks

No but you can order it on SP. The reason is that they can only be opened up to 1935 I think for the privacy of live people.

Catherine

Hi again, missed the reply about Lawrence McQuiggan. Yes that is the right person. His father was from an Irish family that settled in ormskirk Southport. Yes was married at Gretna. They had 2 boys the first was adopted and the second boy died as an infant. The Angus name was suppose to be after Queenies Father and John after Lawrences Father. I was going to try and open this marriage cert but from what you say this is not allowed, I wonder why?

Hi thanks to Catherine & Rootgatherer, for your replies, it has given some more room for thought. My Mother-in-law was a woman of mystery.
We have a thought that she may have changed names and ages during herlife time - the grandchildren are curious toknow why - anyhow thanks for giving some tracks to go down - appreciated..

Marriage John Roles to Ada Ellen East - Wandsworth 1900. Think I might be going off on the wrong track here.

Catherine

The above???

Births Mar 1901 (>99%)
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Roles Queenie Frances M Guildford 2a 74

Lawrence John Angus McQuiggan married in Gretna in 1940. This certificate cannot be opened online.

Catherine

Cannot find any name with Rubella that fits at all in Scotland or England.

Catherine

1901 census England

Mothers name given on cert as Queenie McQuiggan nee Rose.

What about this?

Name: Queenie F M Rose
Age: 2 8 Months
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Rose
Mother's name: Ada E Rose
Gender: Female
Where born: St John; Woking, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Woking
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Guildford
Sub-registration district: Woking
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 174
Household Members:
Name Age
John Rose 39
Ada E Rose 28
Queenie F M Rose 2 8 Months

Although her age is given as 28 months it looks like 2 months on the original.

Catherine

It is possible that it was Lawrence himself who gave the information on the marriage certificate, so I am just wondering if there was even a slight difference in the info. Not sure that it will help though but is worth a try.

Hi,
Good idea to get hold of Lawrence McQuiggand marriage cert- that might give us a clue.

Hi rootgather,
Have not seen Lawrence McQuiggans marriage cert only his deaht cert. I would assume he got married in Scotland. On the death cert his Mother is called Rose that she was deceased (She died 1988) (he died 1945) was in the army. His wife Sarah Orr Miller gave the name Rose as his Mothers name.
Yes t is a possibilty that Queenies mother remarried. She was always secret about her past only to say she came from a good background and wore nice clothes! In this more enlighted world her grandchildren are trying toget a tree together of their ancestors. We do know she had different dates on two marriage and death cert.
Thanks

Hi rootgather,
Have not seen Lawrence McQuiggans marriage cert only his deaht cert. I would assume he got married in Scotland. On the death cert his Mother is called Rose that she was deceased (She died 1988) (he died 1945) was in the army. His wife Sarah Orr Miller gave the name Rose as his Mothers name.
Yes t is a possibilty that Queenies mother remarried. She was always secret about her past only to say she came from a good background and wore nice clothes! In this more enlighted world her grandchildren are trying toget a tree together of their ancestors. We do know she had different dates on two marriage and death cert.
Thanks

Patricia, Have you traced Lawrence's marriage certificate to see who he names as his parents?

I am wondering if Queenie's mother had remarried and Queenie took her stepfather's surname?

Hi thanks Rootgather & Catherine,
I think the Queenie Dale you have found is the one I found but is from an Army family. I have explored this one but drew a blank.
Thanks

Hi, Thanks for replies. Queenie married again in Bristol to a T. Henry Exon and had 3 further children plus 2 step children. She died in Blackpool approx 1968/9. Her birth place on marriage cert and death say Glasgow, Father Angus Dale merchant seaman (Dec). Her eldest boy was brought up (so it was said) by grandparents in Glasgow boy called Lawrence McQuiggan from 1st marriage). My nephew has traced this boy and he died in 1946 his widow stating his Mother was called Rose and was deceased (when she wasn't) - we think he looked upon his grandparents as parents and grandmother was called Rose. Queenies middle name was Rubella. Her second son(my brother-in-law) born in Scotland is still alive and his family and myself are trying to find this family that is in Scotland. Hope all this is undetstandable! Thanks

There is this Queenie on the 1901 Scottish census, living in Glasgow but much too old!

Name: Queenie M Dale
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's name: Rayner W Dale
Mother's name: Louisa M Dale
Gender: Female
Where born: England
Registration Number: 622/1
Registration district: Maryhill
Civil Parish: Maryhill
Town: Glasgow
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 9 Spring Gardens
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 20
Household schedule number: 172
Line: 23
Roll: CSSCT1901_240
Household Members: Name Age
Rayner W Dale 38
Louisa M Dale 36
Queenie M Dale 16
Llewellzn J Dale 15
Rennie G Dale Under 1mo
Mary Gates 40
Nellie Getty 22


There aren't many "Scottish" Queenies but there are another couple on the 1901 census in Glasgow a bit nearer the correct birth year but with the wrong surname!

Do you think there is any connection here?

Name: Rayner W Dale
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Louisa M Dale
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 622/1
Registration district: Maryhill
Civil Parish: Maryhill
Town: Glasgow
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 9 Spring Gardens
Occupation: Captain Royal Artillery
ED: 20
Household schedule number: 172
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1901_240
Household Members:
Name Age
Rayner W Dale 38
Louisa M Dale 36
Queenie M Dale 16
Llewellzn J Dale 15
Rennie G Dale Under 1mo
Mary Gates 40
Nellie Getty 22

Catherine

Catherine

Not getting any matches on SP for a marriage in the name of Angus Dale

Where did she die please? Had she remarried?