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Hi Dee and Chris and all

Very very many thanks for unravelling the mystery for me. It was so exciting to read it all when I switched on today.

You may have solved another mystery for me - my uncle said that there had been a member of the Pearce family who had won a big medal in WW1 and we had been trying to find out who it was. William Henry with his DSM could have been the family member - even though he was a Jordan.

The amount of information you found was incredible while I'd been trawling through without success.

Hope you enjoyed the hunt as much as I've enjoyed the results!

Once again, many, many thanks.

Liz

Lol, shame we can't see that 1911 Southwark marriage details :-)

Does look good so far...

Chris :)




(just adding below version from FMP, matches Dee's)

Naval Casualties 1914-1919 - soldier details
Name: William Henry JORDAN

Rating: A.B.

Birth date/place: 22.6.89. Bermondsey, London.

Section scan: 8/1205

Service branch: R.N.

Ship unit: HMS VALA

Official number: 234463. (DEV)

Cause of death: Killed or died as a direct result of enemy action.

Date of death: 21/08/1917

Location of grave: Not recorded

Cemetery: Body not recovered for burial

Relatives notified: Father. Frederick C. Prince of Wales Plough Road, Rotherhithe, London, S.E.

Decorations: D.S.M.

So I see my latest wild theory has panned out!

I go to get a little food and sleep (it isn't 9 a.m. yet here), and look what you all get up to. ;)

Looking good!

Just looking on the web about HMS Vala;

"the VALA was involved in several "meetings" with german U-boats:

22.11.1916: VALA was missed by one torpedo
26.12.1916: VALA was damaged by gunfire from UC 46 off Milford Haven
03.01.1917: VALA had a gunfight with UB 18 South of Lizard Head
21.04.1917: VALA was damaged in an gunfight with an U-boat South of Ireland
24.04.1917: VALA was damaged in an gunfight with UC 47 off the Scillies
20.05.1917: VALA was damaged in an gunfight with UC 44 off Fastnet Rock
21.05.1917: VALA was followed by UC 44, but was to far off for an attack
20.07.1917: VALA had an gunfight with UC 41 South of Ireland
20.08.1917: VALA was finally sunk by UB 54

If you go to this site and click onto number 21 you will see William Henry's name on the memorial;

http://www.webrarian.co.uk/rnwm/rnwm12.html


Dee x

UK, Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972
about Wm H Jordan
Name: Wm H Jordan
Medal or Award: Star, Victory Medal, British War Medal
Service Year: 1914-1920
Service Location: Europe
Campaign or Service: World War I
Service Number: 234463

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Name: JORDAN, WILLIAM HENRY
Initials: W H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Able Seaman
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
Unit Text: H.M.S. "Vala."
Age: 24
Date of Death: 21/08/1917
Service No: 234463
Awards: D S M
Additional information: Son of Frederick Charles Jordan, of Rotherhithe, London.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 21.
Memorial: PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL


So he recieved a Distinguished Service Medal........ you maybe able to find out more about him on the National Archives???

EDIT>>>>>>>> I'm not much use on that site, but just putting in his surname and service number, remember it is a paying site and I haven't paid, so info is scant;

Online Document ADM 188/415
Name Jordan William Henry 234463 Bermondsey, London . Name Jordan William Henry 234463 Bermondsey, London
Date: 1889
Source: DocumentsOnline (images of documents from The National Archives)





Dee x

Looking at the 1911 census ( no credits) ;

MILITARY JORDAN WILLIAM HENRY 1890 21 Weymouth Dorsetshire

Confirms a birth place of Bermondsey.


Dee x

Ok.......... so I think we can safely rule that Henry out;

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Henry William Jordan
Name: Henry William Jordan
Birth Date: 6 Apr 1896
Death Registration Month/Year: 1981
Registration district: Harlow
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9
Page: 2606


Back to the drawing board......... uuffftttt!!!


Dee x

Just checking out that marriage for Henry to Florence Jane and looking for a death to go with Henry. This is Florence's death;

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Florence Jane Jordan
Name: Florence Jane Jordan
Birth Date: 28 Jun 1892
Death Registration Month/Year: 1981
Registration district: Harlow
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9
Page: 2393

DOB confirmed by her baptism in 1896.. Non conformist.

This one's year of birth is a bit out;

UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945
about Henry Jordan
Name: Henry Jordan
Given Initials: H W
Rank: Corporal
Death Date: 17 Jun 1940
Number: 1061600
Birth Place: London SE
Residence: London SE
Branch at Enlistment: Other Corps
Theatre of War: At sea
Regiment at Death: Pioneer Corps
Branch at Death: Other Corps

And from CWGC;

Name: JORDAN, HENRY WILLIAMS
Initials: H W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Corporal
Regiment/Service: Pioneer Corps
Unit Text: 46 Coy., Aux. Mil.
Age: 31
Date of Death: 17/06/1940
Service No: 1061600
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Column 148.
Memorial: DUNKIRK MEMORIAL

Hi Liz,

I'll keep adding for you to look at tomorrow, sleep well.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Florence Jane Scard
Name: Florence Jane Scard
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Spouse Name: Henry William Jordan >> Soldier, L Corpral Fusiliers!!!
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 28 Jul 1918
Parish: St Paul, Clapham
County: Surrey
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: William Thomas Scard
Spouse Father Name: Henry William Jordan >>>>> Skindresser, DECEASED!


Now I know that Frederick was a landlord.......... but when he married his 1st wife he was a Fur Skin Dresser, so I wonder???


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Frederick Charles Jordan
Name: Frederick Charles Jordan
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Spouse Name: Ann Jane Bennett
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 08 Jun 1890
Parish: St Bride Fleet Street
County: London
Borough: City of London
Father Name: Henry Jordan
Spouse Father Name: George Alfred Bennett


Dee x

Hi Chris and Dea

Sorry, I had been away from my computer for a while and hadn't noticed all the input into my post. Thank you both so much for your trouble. I will have to look at it tomorrow and will get back to you then.

Once again, thanks so much for your help.

Best wishes

Liz

With his grandparents;

1901 England Census
about Henry W Jordan
Name: Henry W Jordan
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Bexley
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Dartford
Sub-registration district: Bexley
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 109
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Jordan 68
Mary A Jordan 67
Henry W Jordan 10
Florence Taylor 18


So I wonder if this is the man you are looking for??


Dee x

Hi Dea

Many thanks for that. I had been looking for Jordan and Pearce in the 1911 census and hadn't seen the one you found. Do you have the names of the children?

It sounds an interesting site - all the members were probably the gentlemen of the time - any interesting ones there?

Dea, I'm just on my way to bed - these Australian/English time differences are a nuisance.

Thanks for letting me know.

Best wishes

Liz

Looks like Frederick had a son!!!!

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Henry William Jordan
Name: Henry William Jordan
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1891
Baptism Date: 6 May 1891
Father's Name: Frederick Charles Jordan
Mother's Name: Ann Jane Jordan
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Southwark


1891 England Census
about Frederick C Jordon
Name: Frederick C Jordon
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann J Jordon
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, London, England

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick C Jordon 23
Ann J Jordon 25
Henry W Jordon 2 Months


Dee x

1901 England Census
about Fredrick Jordan
Name: Fredrick Jordan
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, London, England

Civil parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: WIDOW

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members: Name Age
Fredrick Jordan 33 >>>>>>>> Licensed Victualler
Walter Harris 18

1911

JORDAN, Frederick Charles Head Married
6 years M 42 1869 Publican Grange Road Bermondsey
JORDAN, Kate Wife Married
6 years F 29 1882 250 High Road Wittenham (Willesden)
TAYLOR, Albert Barman Single M 26 1885 Barman Clerkenwell Middlesex
SMITH, George Barman Single M 21 1890 Barman Croydon Surrey
WEBB, Harry Potman Single M 19 1892 Potman Camberwell Surrey
EDMONDS, Annie Cook Widow F 52 1859 Cook Looe Lancs Rotherlithe

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1940 Reference:
RG14PN1940 RG78PN68 RD24 SD3 ED27 SN140

Registration District:
St Olave (Bermondsey) Sub District:
Rotherhithe Enumeration District:
27 Parish:
Bermondsey

Address:
17 Plough Road Rotherlithe SE County:
London

saw this?...

(image says 1 child born, 1 still living, next to Kate's name)


1901 (at 250, High Street)

422 PEARCE, Charles Head Married M 45 1856 Bootmaker
Chesham
Buckinghamshire
422 PEARCE, Kate Wife Married F 42 1859
Chesham
Buckinghamshire
422 PEARCE, Kate Daughter Single F 19 1882 Shop Assistant
Chesham
Buckinghamshire
422 PEARCE, Charles Son Single M 17 1884 Bootmaker
Willesden
London
422 PEARCE, Edith Daughter Single F 15 1886
Willesden
London
422 PEARCE, Ethel Daughter Single F 13 1888
Willesden
London
422 PEARCE, May Daughter Single F 9 1892
Willesden
London


RG number:
RG13 Piece:
1226 Folio:
71 Page:
68

Registration District:
Hendon Sub District:
Willesden Enumeration District:
69 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Andrews

Civil Parish:
Willesden Municipal Borough:
Address:
250, High Road, Willesden County:
Middlesex

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941
about Kate Jordan
Name: Kate Jordan
Probate Date: 8 Apr 1929
Death Date: 22 Jan 1929
Death Place: Surrey, England
Registry: London

States;

" Of The Prince of Wales Public House, Plough Road, Kent. Widow died 22 Jan 1929 at 250 High Road Willesden Green, Middlesex. Probate London 8th April to Edward Sawyer manager and Thomas Mottram Studd accountant. £3078 8s 10d"


Uummm.............. no children mentioned!!!!



Dee x

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941
about Frederick Charles Jordan
Name: Frederick Charles Jordan
Probate Date: 20 Mar 1918
Death Date: 27 Jan 1918
Death Place: Kent, England
Registry: London

States;

" Of the Prince of Wales inn Plough Rd, Rotherhithe, Kent. Probate to widow Kate Jordan. £103 6s 9d"

So could Kate have remarried???

Dee x