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Jennifer

Jennifer Report 27 Feb 2011 10:32

Hi
I am trying to find the parents and siblings of a Sarah A Percival born in Redruth Cornwall in about 1855 she later moved to Darwen Lancashire to work in service and married a man called John Crawford in Blackburn in 1882 and they went on to have 6 children.
That bit seems quite simple but if you follow the the 1891 census she is Sarah - in 1901 she becomes Victoria-in the 1911 she becomes Elizabeth always born in Redruth cornwall.
Am I looking for the same person here who keeps changing her name or are they 3 different people . I can only find 1 marriage and that is for a James Crawford to a Sarah Anne Percival in 1882 in the Blackburn area which is the right area
Any help would be much appreciated
Many Thanks Jenny

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 27 Feb 2011 10:40

I know our ancestors were a bit flexible with their names, but it seems a bit strange to be so random! Is she with the same people on each census - same John with same occupation, same children?

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 27 Feb 2011 10:42

For info:

1901 England Census

Name: Victoria Crawford
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Crawford
Gender: Female
Where born: Redruth, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Darwen
Ecclesiastical parish: Over Darwen Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Darwen

John Crawford 47
Victoria Crawford 46
Laura Crawford 17
Thomas Crawford 15
John Crawford 12
Louisa Crawford 11
Beatrice Crawford 10
Mary J Crawford 8

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 27 Feb 2011 10:45

It's James not John by the way:

Marriages Mar 1882 (>99%)
CRAWFORD James Blackburn 8e 387
Percival Sarah Ann Blackburn 8e 387

Do you have this marriage cert?

Jan

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 27 Feb 2011 10:49

1891 - same children

Name: Sarah A Crawford
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Crawford
Gender: Female
Where born: Ridruff, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Over Darwen
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Darwen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Darwen
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Crawford 37
Sarah A Crawford 36
Lara Crawford 8
Thomas Crawford 6
John Crawford 4
Louisa Crawford 2
Beatrice Crawford 3/12

Jennifer

Jennifer Report 27 Feb 2011 10:49

HI

Strange as this may seem she is still with the same husband same children in fact it is also very odd that on Beartices birth cert she is named as Elizabeth Goodman also born in Redruth Cornwall but I can't find any record of her with this name


Thanks Jenny

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 27 Feb 2011 10:53

Could this death in March 1914 be Elizabeth Victoria?

Crawford Elizabeth V 58 Blackburn 8e 688

Jennifer

Jennifer Report 27 Feb 2011 11:04

Thank you I will give that a try

Jenny

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 27 Feb 2011 14:03

on that 1882 marriage that Jan gave you. That Sarah married james Fielding not Crawford

Marriages Mar 1882 (>99%)
CRAWFORD James Blackburn 8e 387
FIELDING James Blackburn 8e 387
HAWORTH Jane Blackburn 8e 387
Percival Sarah Ann Blackburn 8e 387

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1882
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PERCIVAL Sarah Ann FIELDING James Blackburn, All Saints Blackburn CE3/1/298

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1882
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CRAWFORD James HAWORTH Jane Blackburn, All Saints Blackburn CE3/1/299

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 27 Feb 2011 14:15

I don't think that is the family you want in 1891 & 1891. the Sarah in that census had the maiden name of Goodman

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1891
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CRAWFORD Beatrice Darwen Blackburn GOODMAN D/101/6

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1892
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CRAWFORD Mary Jane Darwen Blackburn GOODMAN D/105/64

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Feb 2011 14:20

Jenny, could you tell us how you found Sarah A Percival - is she a direct ancestor?

If we know a bit more about her then we can help to make sure the right line is being followed.

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 27 Feb 2011 14:25

How did you find Sarah please?

Are you working from forwards or backwards from a child's name?

I can't find a Sarah Percival born c1855 in 1881


brummiejan

brummiejan Report 27 Feb 2011 14:58

As above, have you got the marriage cert for sarah and james? Like LancashireAnn i can't see a birth for her.
Jan

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 27 Feb 2011 14:59

can't find a marriage either Jan

see above 1882 wrong groom

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 27 Feb 2011 15:14

Sorry, missed that post!

This is Elizabeth 1911, not that it helps:

CRAWFORD, Elizabeth Head Widow F 55 1856 Redruth Cornwall VIEW
CRAWFORD, Louisa Daughter Single F 21 1890 Weaver Cotton Mill Darwen Lancashire VIEW
CRAWFORD, Mary Jane Daughter Single F 18 1893 Weaver Cotton Mill Darwen Lancashire VIEW
CRAWFORD, John Son Single M 22 1889 General Labourer Darwen Lancashire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
25154 Reference:
RG14PN25154 RG78PN1439 RD474 SD8 ED17 SN228

Registration District:
Blackburn Sub District:
Darwen Enumeration District:
17 Parish:
Darwen

Address:
38 Hope Street Darwen County:
Lancashire

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 27 Feb 2011 15:32

Jenny, can you tell us who you are researching back from please? Why do you think a Sarah Percival married a John Crawford? Sorry if it's been said before but need to clear my thoughts!
Jan

Jennifer

Jennifer Report 27 Feb 2011 16:06

Hi

I also need to clear my thoughts
I am researching back from Beatrice C rawford born 2 January 1891 her father was John Crawford born in Liverpool about 1855 on her birth cert her mother is recorded as Elizabeth Goodman who I am given to understand came from Redrurh in Cornwall but I cannot find any record of her birth----- or of her marriage to John Crawford
The reason I think that Sarah A was married to John Crawford is on the 1891 census she is listed as his wife with all the children I know for a fact are Beatrice brother and sisters living at the address that I have for the family that at time

Is this getting any clearer
Many Thanks Jenny


brummiejan

brummiejan Report 27 Feb 2011 16:11

I can see why you have the name Sarah, but not clear about the percival link?
Jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 27 Feb 2011 16:16

Maybe she was Elizabeth Victoria?

Deaths Mar 1914 (>99%)
Crawford Elizabeth V 58 Blackburn 8e 688

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Feb 2011 16:26

I think Brummiejan and Rootgatherer are spot on with that 1914 death - explains the Victoria 1901 and Elizabeth 1911 conundrum.

Perhaps they never actually married?