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Hi I'm trying to find records for my dad's mother. I now know that her name was Ellen Joy Brown. My father was born in 1930 in Basingstoke and there is no named father. Unfortunately I have no idea of her DOB but I'm thinking maybe she was a young, unmarried mum! The only relatives of hers I knew were her sister Joan and brother John. There may possibly be a Kent connection. Any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated. I'm struggling to go forward at the moment. Certainly her siblings remained in Basingstoke.

Do you have any idea as to when Ellen Joy Brown may have died? This could help to pinpoint when she was born. What name did she have when she died?

Lynne

Thanks Flick

The siblings referred to were Ellen's.....

I know absolutely nothing. My dad has never spoken about that side of the family. I only know this as I sent off for a copy of his birth certificate. He spent a lot of time with Joan (his aunt) who became Joan Hope.

I'm taking a guess on Joan's birth date as 1924 - 1986. (There were a couple of Joan Hopes in Basingstoke). Also I think John Brown was approx 1910. Still not much to go on - sorry.

Up to 1911 the middle names are listed and there is no Ellen Joy Brown.
After 1911 just the middle initial is shown so she could be any of the Ellen J Brown.
At least it narrows down the timescale.

Unless she was born with a different surname in which case there are these up to 1911..

Births Dec 1900
Allston Ellen Joy - Colchester 4a 738

Births Dec 1902
Arnold Ellen Joy - Northampton 3b 58

Births Sep 1907
Sammons Ellen Joy - W. Ham 4a 157

Births Jun 1909
Barry Ellen Joy - Tynemouth 10b 266

I keep looking at the birth certificate - maybe it isn't Joy. It doesn't look like the J in Peter John. ? Fay ? Kay. It is definitely ??y. Am now getting really fed up. Struggling to move forward.

My mum seems to remember the name Nellie and Heslop. ? why though. I never knew Ellen at all so I would say she died before I was born which was in 1968.

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Ellen I Brown
Name: Ellen I Brown
Spouse Surname: Heslop
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1936
Registration district: Basingstoke
Registration county (inferred): Hampshire
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 856
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

There is this marriage

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Ellen I Heslop
Name: Ellen I Heslop
Death Registration Month/Year: 1959
Age at death (estimated): 49
Registration district: Basingstoke
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 87

? possible. Could read Ivy on the birth certificate.

RG14PN3795 RD43 SD4 ED2 SN224A

Reg. District: Dartford Sub District: Farningham
Parish: Sutton At Hone Enum. District: 2
Address:
County: Kent
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born


BROWN, John Ernest Head Married M 28 1883 Farm Labourer Fawkham Kent
BROWN, Mary Louisa Wife Married
5 years F 28 1883 St Mary Cray Kent
BROWN, Sideny John Son M 5 1906 Sutton At Hone Kent
BROWN, Ellen Ivy Daughter F 1 1910 Sutton At Hone Kent
HAINES, Edward Visitor Widower M 61 1850 Farm Labourer St Mary Cray Kent
HAINES, Florence Annie Visitor Single F 19 1892 Jam Factory Hand Tooley Street London


England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Joan M Brown
Name: Joan M Brown
Mother's Maiden Surname: Haines
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1926
Registration district: Basingstoke
Registration county: Hampshire, Berkshire
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 378 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Mary Louisa Haines
Name: Mary Louisa Haines
Year of Registration: 1905
[1905]
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Dartford
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1167 (click to see others on page)

John Ernest Brown

As you've probably guessed I'm a complete beginner at this family research. Do you think this could be a match Helen. What is the next step. Thanks for your help.

It could be a match, i cant seem to find a birth for her brother John though.

Helen

Possible marriage?

Name: Joan M Brown
Spouse Surname: Hope - George W
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1959
Registration district: Basingstoke
Registration county (inferred): Hampshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 295

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Sidney John Brown
Name: Sidney John Brown
Year of Registration: 1906
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Dartford
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 660 (click to see others on page)

Unless Sidney went by the name of John

It seems to all fit with what you know

You are all really fab and great detectives. I always knew John as Uncle John but maybe that wasn't his first name. He lived with Joan and George and possibly died late 1970s. I'm determined to find out more now. Joan and George never had children and I think they brought my dad up as he was very close to them.

1891 England Census
about Mary L Haines
Name: Mary L Haines
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pauls Cray, Kent, England

Civil parish: Sutton At Hone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Swanley
Town: Swanley
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Dartford
Sub-registration district: Dartford
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Devall 30
Mary A Devall 27
Martha Devall 4
Alice Devall 1
Mary A Tickner 57
Edwin Haines 37
Eleanor M Haines 9
Mary L Haines 7
Emily E Haines 5

Mary's family