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1911 census transcription details for: 135 Wood Street Middleton
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Reg. District: Oldham Sub District: Middleton
Parish: Middleton Enum. District: 8
Address: 135 Wood Street Middleton
County: Lancashire

THOMLEY, William Head Married M 49 1862 Silk Loom Overlooker Lancs Middleton
THOMLEY, Mary Wife Married
26 years F 47 1864 Lancs Middleton
THOMLEY, Emily Daughter Single F 23 1888 Confectioner Lancs Middleton
THOMLEY, Eliza Daughter Single F 21 1890 Confectioner Lancs Middleton
THOMLEY, Fred Nephew M 13 1898 Telegraph Messenger Lancs Westhaughton


Maureen

Also, in the 1871 it looks like there were 5 brothers:

THORNLEY, James Head M 33 1838 Lancashire - Master Clogger
THORNLEY, Eliza Wife F 32 1839 Lancashire
THORNLEY, George Son M 11 1860 Lancashire
THORNLEY, William Son M 9 1862 Lancashire
THORNLEY, Fred Son M 6 1865 Lancashire
THORNLEY, Martha A Daughter F 5 1866 Lancashire
THORNLEY, Harry Son M 3 1868 Lancashire
THORNLEY, John H Son M 1 1870 Lancashire

Registration District: Oldham Sub District: Middleton Enumeration District: 9 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish: Middleton Municipal Borough:

Address: Cheapside Butcher's Shop Clogger's Shop, Middleton County: Lancashire

All born in Middleton

Barbara - do you know where and when Fred died?

If he died after 1969 his birth date should be shown on the death record.

Sometimes just writing it down does help.

I have found two possible births, both in 1898, both in Bolton but one is earlier in the year than the other. If I can try and pinpoint which is my grandfather's, and then check whether the parents die, I just may be able to solve it.

I have found William (his adoptive father) in the earlier census (1881), with three brothers and a sister: Fred 16, Martha 15, Harry 13 and John H who is 11. I thought it would perhaps be Fred who is his father but a Harry Thornley dies in Bolton at the age of 30 in 1898 so that could be his father. If I know his birthday, and can send for his birth certificate, I will hopefully have the names of his parents. Now, just need to see if there is anyone who remembers when his birthday was.

Just found adoptive father, William, on the 1881 census with sisters and 3 brothers: Fred, Harry and John H. Could be named after his father or uncle so father possibly Fred (or perhaps one of the other two), now off to look for death of one of them. I am told his mum and dad died when he was approx six months old.

Sometimes it takes writing it down to see it more clearly

Thanks for all your help

Barbara

He was married as Fred Thornley but, yes, I never thought of that I will send for a copy of his marriage certificate and see who he gave as his father - I am slow.

As far as I am aware (i.e. family stories) Thornley was his birth name and (I am told) the family that he grew up with were, in fact, his uncle, aunt and his cousins. If Thornley was his birth name that would mean that his father and his uncle were brothers?? I am off to check the previous census to see if I can find William Thornley (his adopted father and see what brothers he had) I am slow - sometimes you just need to think it through and see it a little more clearly. I have been doing the other side of the family for years and you would think I would have tumbled to this by now. I'm hopeless.

Many, many thanks Barbara

Barbara, do you know if Thornley was Fred's birth name? It's possible that as a very small child he was registered under that family's name.

In later years he may have registered under his original name.

Do you know who he married and when? If so, was his real father's name on that marriage certificate?

Sorry, I should have added that the birthplaces of all but Fred are given as Middleton on the 1901 census, Fred ("adopted" son, in fact their nephew I am told) was born in West Houghton, Nr Bolton.

Barbara

I have found my grandfather, Fred Thornley, and his family on the 1901 census but do not seem able to locate them on the 1911. Am I going daft? Can anyone else find them?

Fred, the "adopted" son is my grandfather. Apparently his parents died in a flu epidemic when he was only 6 months old and he was brought up by his aunt and uncle. I do not have the details of his actual parents but am working on it.

This is him on the 1901 census:

Name: Fred Thornley
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Adopted Son
Gender: Male
Where born: West Houghton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Middleton
Ecclesiastical parish: Parkfield
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Middleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 172
Household Members: Name Age
William Thornley 39
Mary Thornley 37
Frank Alfred Thornley 15
Emily Thornley 13
Eliza Thornley 10
Fred Thornley 3