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VaIT: interesting birth and death

Births Sep 1899
Green Joseph William Birmingham 6d 151

Deaths Sep 1899
Green Joseph William 0 Birmingham 6d 119

Could this be a christening, may then be the 2nd deceased child

christening: 29 Mar 1899 — St. Matthias', Birmingham, Warwick, England
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence:
parents: Joseph Green, Minnie
spouse:
child:
marriage:

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Joseph William Green
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 29 Mar 1899
baptism/christening place: St. Matthias', Birmingham, Warwick, England
father's name: Joseph Green
mother's name: Minnie
indexing project (batch) number: C02151-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number:

VaIT
No need to change your name: just do what the census form tells you.
First name, surname, no place of birth.
None of our posterity will be able to recognise any of us!
But hey, what did posterity ever do for us?
[There's a separate "no middle name in 2011 census thread running].

Hello VaIT
You won't need to change your name to confuse your descendants. Just do what the form tells you: your first name and surname: like Anne Jones. No question about place of birth either, I believe.
None of our posterity will be able to identify any of us.
But hey, what did posterity ever do for me?
[See separate thread running on the topic of no middle names in 2011 census!!]

interesting birth and death

Births Sep 1899
Green Joseph William Birmingham 6d 151

Deaths Sep 1899
Green Joseph William 0 Birmingham 6d 119

Funny you should say that mary - I am so intrigued I plan to check it out! Not till 1919 though.
Jan

Could Williams be a "middle" name ?

I have a William Joseph Green birth index
1872 in Aston
There's also an un-named male for the same Aston 1872

There should electoral Roll for 1911 it will be at the local library.

Maryb

1891 census


Name: Joseph Green
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Emma Green
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Emma Green 47
John H Green 25
Elizabetn Green 23
Thomas Green 21
Joseph Green 19---Silversmith

Address : 49 Great Charles St Central Birmingham

Is there an electoral register for 1911?

I would have to say that the 1911 Williams have to be the Greens I am looking for. Although I have no idea why they may have changed their name?

I cannot see how they could be anything other than the Greens, when looked at alongside the birth cert I have for George that places him in that house at the same time !
The marriage also fits, 13yrs gives 1898 the same year I have for the index

Minnie Gibbons 1898 Jul-Aug-Sep Birmingham 6D 338
Joseph Green 1898 Jul-Aug-Sep Birmingham 6D 338

Green I would say.

Mothers maiden name is Green. George's marriage to Ada Jane Bailey also states Green as well as a father Joseph Green. Same on George's Birth cert

storm, did George go by the name Green or Williams for his life time?

The W in Williams does look different to the W in West in the address but that W looks like the Ws on the image in Worker and Well St.


Maybe John only signed his name.

Interesting one this! I've had a look at the original of the 1911 and where John Williams has signed, the W of Williams looks nothing like the W of the West in the address. It looks more like it's started as another letter (perhaps a G?) and then been changed.

I'd be inclined to get a copy of the 1898 marriage certificate and see if the way he's signed John on the census is the same as on the marriage cert.

NB - the birthplace for John is definitely Holloway Head.

It IS them !!!!!!!!! - It is just too much of a coincidence !

I also believe they have changed their name:

One of these will be Dorothy's death from 1901 census

Deaths Sep 1901
Green Dorothy 0 Birmingham 6d 109

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Deaths Jun 1902
Green Dorothy 0 Birmingham 6d 50

Dea x

Even if he wasn't registered he should still be on 1911 census as he was alive.

I too think that is them as Williams in 1911.

There was a Dorothy died 1901 age 0 in birmingham J/A/S 1901 6d 109.
So she could one of the two children who had died .

Maryb

The Joseph & Annie in 1901 were living in Wells Street where Eva is said to have been born. Joseph silversmith.
Is Minnie possibly a 2nd wife or did the enumerator mishear in 1901 6 put her down as Annie?
Marion

Just to agree:
1901 census transcription details for: 19- 1, Court House, Well Street, Birmingham

RG number: RG13 Piece: 2840 Folio: 35 Page: 13

Reg. District: Birmingham Sub District: St George
Parish: Birmingham Enum. District: 10
Ecclesiastical District: St Matthias City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 19- 1, Court House, Well Street, Birmingham
County: Warwickshire
GREEN, Joseph Head Married M 29 1872 Silversmith
Birmingham Warwickshire
GREEN, Annie Wife Married F 24 1877
Birmingham Warwickshire
GREEN, Dorothy Daughter F 0 (3 MOS) 1901
Birmingham Warwickshire


On the 1911 ...Eva was born Well(s) St.

Best,
Maureen

Mary -
He wasn't registered til 29/4/1911 so I don't think he'll be on 1911

ValT,

Siblings - No don't know much about George as he died when mom was 6. Nan re-married William Naven, who I called grandad. So first info I really have is this birth cert I have aquired