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Hi - Could somebody please help. I am trying to find when Arthur Garrard, who was born about 1880 in Donhead St Andrew Wiltshire, died.

I think his parents were James and Phoebe.

He married Kate Pearce in 1901.

Marriages Jun 1901
Garrad Arthur Hendon 3a 432
PEARCE Kate Hendon 3a 432

In 1911 Kate married Frederick Charles Jordan.

MARRIAGES JUN 1911
Garrad Kate Southwark 1d 257
Jordan Frederick C Southwark 1d 257

So somewhere in between 1901 and 1911 Arthur Garrard died and I can't find him.

Other eyes could be sharper than mine.

Many thanks

Liz
Australia

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Arthur Garrad
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Spouse Name: Kate Pearce
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 08 Apr 1901
Parish: St Andrew, Willesden
County: London
Borough: Harrow
Father Name: James Garrad >>>>>Butler
Spouse Father Name: Charles Frederick Pearce

Maybe

Deaths Jun 1901 (>99%)
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Garrod Arthur 19 Staines 3a 5


No. Ignore that. I think this is the Arthur that died above

GARRAD, Arthur Inmate M 19 1882 No Occupation
VIEW

Civil Parish:
Stanwell Municipal Borough:
Address:
Stanwell County:
Middlesex

In 1911 Kate is living with Frederick Jordan and states they have been married for 6 years so that lessens the time scale. 1 child born 1 still living

JORDAN, Frederick Charles Head Married
6 years M 42 1869 Publican Grange Road Bermondsey VIEW
JORDAN, Kate Wife Married
6 years F 29 1882 250 High Road Wittenham>>>>>>Willesden on original
TAYLOR, Albert Barman Single M 26 1885 Barman Clerkenwell Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, George Barman Single M 21 1890 Barman Croydon Surrey VIEW
WEBB, Harry Potman Single M 19 1892 Potman Camberwell Surrey VIEW
EDMONDS, Annie Cook Widow F 52 1859 Cook Looe Lancs Rotherlithe VIEW

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Address:
17 Plough Road Rotherlithe SE

His name seems to be Garrad, but you've spelled it Garrard twice in your opening post, and posted on the Garrard surname board - ?

Just in case it was a common mistake, this person was in the Imperial Yeomanry in the Anglo-Boer war:

Garrard, Arthur 40320, Trooper* 38th Bn. I.Y.

http://www.britishmedals.us/files/iyg.htm

Accurate birth info, for ref:

Births Mar 1880
Garrad Arthur Tisbury 5a 222


Kate hadn't really been married 6 years in 1911 -- possibly it was her existing marriage to Arthur that prevented her marrying earlier, and he died?

Kate married in 1911 for the second time. The 1911 census gave her as being married 6 years but perhaps that was as a common law wife?

She had no children apparently - the child in the census was her husband's from his previous marriage. A bit of a mixup on the census I think.

Arthur Garrad was his correct name but spellings change a lot in the records. And I think that was a typo.

I'll check the Boer war records to see if there's a clue to Arthur - can't find anything else.

Sorry to take a while to answer - cooking going on in Australia!

Thanks

Liz

GARRARD, Arthur
Rank: Trooper
Soldier number: 40320
Unit: 38 Battalion Imperial Yeomanry
Notes: 38th Bn arrived after war ended (31-05-1902).
The Queen's South Africa (QSA) Medal Clasps: not entitled


Not much information on FMP

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Kate Pearce
Name: Kate Pearce
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Spouse Name: Arthur Garrad Ironmonger
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 08 Apr 1901
Parish: St Andrew, Willesden
County: London


250 High Road Willesden
Borough: Harrow
Father Name: Charles Frederick Pearce
Spouse Father Name: James Garrad

Many thanks for that. If he arrived after the Boer War he probably survived it so manybe not him - unless he decided to stay there!

Divorce was out of the question for the non rich class but don't know how long people had to disappear for them to be declared dead?

Thanks again

Liz

That is definately the marriage of Kate and Arthur. Arthur's father was a butler but it looks as though Arthur didn't follow in his footsteps.

I think an Ironmonger had a shop didn't he? Not like a blacksmith?

Many thanks

Liz

That is definately the marriage of Kate and Arthur. Arthur's father was a butler but it looks as though Arthur didn't follow in his footsteps.

I think an Ironmonger had a shop didn't he? Not like a blacksmith?

Many thanks

Liz

For "declared dead" -- it wasn't actually a declaration. After seven years without contact and no information, a spouse was entitled to presume the person was dead and consider themself free to marry again. The seven years provided a defence against any bigamy charge.

I had wondered about that possibility. 1911 would put his last known existence at 1904, if that had been the case.

I don't know how common this was, for instance how familar people were with the rule, or even how it was implemented. When I read up on a bit a little while ago, it sounded like someone could just say to themself: well, I'll consider him/her dead, time to get married again! ;)

Find my past has this 1901 census ( I don't subscribe)


Household GARRARD, Arthur 1878 23 M Bromley Kent >>> Iron Monger


Can anyone with FMP check him out?


Dee x

Here's how Ancestry has him. ;)


Name: Arthur Ganard -- it looks like that, sure, but Garrard makes more sense
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Bletchington, Norfolk, England (it says Oxford, not Norfolk)

Civil parish: Beckenham
Registration district: Bromley
Town: Beckenham
County/Island: Kent

William Lewark 44
Sophia E Lewark 38
Alice V Lewark 10
Edith M Lewark 3
Lara L A Livormore 74
Arthur Ganard 23

1901 Address: 2, Stanmore Terrace, Beckenham
LEWCOCK, William Head Married M 44 1857 Coachman Domestic
Teddington Middlesex
LEWCOCK, Sophia E Wife Married F 38 1863 Plumstead London
LEWCOCK, Alice N Daughter Single F 10 1891 Beckenham Kent
LEWCOCK, Edith M Daughter Single F 3 1898 Beckenham Kent
LIVERMORE, Sarah A Mother Widow F 74 1827 Nurse MonthlyHampton Middlesex
GARRARD, Arthur Visitor Married M 23 1878 Iron MongerBletchington Oxfordshire

Place of birth is wrong
Tried to post before but GR went offline for me.
Essential maintenance.

For reference compare

1881 Address: Barkers St, Donhead St Andrew
GARRAD, James Head Married M 28 1853 Butler
Hornechurch Essex
GARRAD, Phoebe Wife Married F 35 1846 Framingham Norfolk
GARRAD, Ada M Daughter Single F 3 1878 Paddington Middlesex
GARRAD, Frank C Son Single M 2 1879 Paddington Middlesex
GARRAD, Arthur Son Single M 1 1880 Donhead St Andrew Wiltshire

1891 Address: 70, Godwin Road, West Ham
GARRAD, Phoebe Head Widow F 47 1844 Fremington Norfolk
GARRAD, Ada M Daughter F 13 1878 Dressmakers Assistant Bayswater Middlesex
GARRAD, Frank C Son M 12 1879 Scholar Bayswater Middlesex
GARRAD, Arthur Son M 11 1880 Scholar Donhead St Andrew Wiltshire
GARRAD, Percy Son M 9 1882 Scholar Donhead St Andrew Wiltshire
GARRAD, Ethel A Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar Donhead St Andrew Wiltshire

HI LK,

I spotted the other census returns........... but I can't see this Arthur before the 1901 census......... so I think it maybe him.

If he lied about his year of birth and birth place what else is he covering up.... just a thought.


Dee x

Checked to see if Arthur had witnessed any of his siblings marriages...... couldn't find any.