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When it says McMoran/cockburn at Easter street it is the name the transcriber gave.
He wrote Mcmoran down when infact it was Cockburn.

Maryb

Rootgatherer,

I have found Rachel's death certificate which says she was married to David & he was the one to register the death. Don't know why I can't find a marriage but have to accept what I am looking at & accept I will not get date - but will keep looking maybe will find clue if I can find other members of their families.

Mary,
Do you mean that 2 families McMoran and Cockburn were at 40 Easter St or a marriage between McMoran and Cockburn families was at that address? I haven't come across McMoran in the family - i think David's mother was Agnes Richardson - I have a record of David born 1849 residing in Horndean. Not 100% sure but so far this is the only one I have found.

1851

Name: David Cockburn
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relationship: Grandson
Mother's Name: Hannah Cockburn
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunse, Berwicksh
Parish Number: 732
Civil parish: Coldingham
Town: Auchincrow
County: Berwickshire
Address: 34th
ED: 3
Page: 19 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 70
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1851_196
Household Members: Name Age
David Cockburn 60
Hannah Cockburn 35
David Cockburn 3

I had a look on SP too and I don't think that David and Rachel married.

David in 1871.
1871 West Barns Road East lothian
David Cockburn born Duns @ 1849 labourer in Paper Mill
Bethal(Rachel) 1845 Earlston so same birth place
Ann Young England 1842
William Young 1869 Galasheils says he is grandson!!

Maryb

Mary - This Elizabeth could be my John's mother - I will look into it further. The Cockburn connection I have is he was raised by Cockburns. Maybe there was an earlier connection which is why they took him in & we are related to Cockburn's by blood.

Flick - I have searched SP & cannot find David marrying Rachel or Helen - or any other names close to them. Am starting to think they were not legally married? have searched here & SP with no success tonight - will come back to it tomorrow after work.

Cannot find any record of David Cockburn marrying Helen or Rachel Blyth(e).

Look on SP for David Cockburn's marriage - the spouse's names will be recorded on the entry......the cert will name both sets of parents

Is this the Cockburn connection.
Uknown Rae and Isabella Cockburn 1802 had John Rae @ 1834 Duns he married Agnes Allan 1835 and had Elizabeth @ 1860 and they had other children in Gavington 1871 14,South street langton John is a tailor.

Issabella Cockburn married William Douglas 5/2/1838
1841 Pleasence st Duns
William Douglas
Isabella Douglas
John Rae 6

1851 69 South st Duns with John Rew 17
George cockburn 1807 Isabella's brother and Robert Cockburn 1845 nephew .

1871 Isabella Douglas at 5,South Street Lodging house keeper.

1901 David Cockburn and Rachel are on South street.

Maryb

There is no RCE on his birth certificate.

I have found Johns death certificate signed by my Uncle Allan which lists his mother as Helen same maiden name as Rachel - Blythe (one with 'e' one without). How do i deal with this new information? Do I look for Rachel Helen or Helen Rachel lol.

There is nothing in census records to suggest that the Cockburns had any natural children

Found by googling..........

http://www.gavinton.net/


The village of Gavinton, with the associated parishes of Fogo and Polwarth, lies to the south-west of Duns in Berwickshire. The town of Berwick-upon-Tweed, 18 miles, by road, to the east, provides access to the national rail network and the A1 trunk road, putting Edinburgh and Newcastle within easy reach.

A lot of the information on this website, such as information about the Gavinton Village Hall and access to the archives of the Gavinton, Fogo & Polwarth Community Council (GFPCC), is intended for residents of the area but other information, such as the history of the three communities and the photo galleries, should be of interest to anyone with links to this part of the Scottish Borders.
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Check out the site.....there's a picture of Langton Church among many other bits of local info

So Elizabeth was at 40,Easter street in 1884 as were the MCmoran/Cockburns in 1881/91
So did she work for them and became pregnant by their son,resulting in John being their grandson!!

Maryb

Looking at the 1881 census for Elizabeth (by 1891 she may have married), there is this one that may be a possibility.

Name: Elisabeth Rae
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Dunse, Berwickshire
Registration Number: 744
Registration district: Hume
Civil parish: Hume
County: Berwickshire
Occupation: General Servant (Domestic)
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 19
Line: 3
Roll: cssct1881_309
Household Members: Name Age
John Lithgow 40
Isabella Lithgow 47
Elisabeth Rae 20
William Laidlaw 17



This looks like the same Elizabeth in 1891

Name: Elizabeth Rae
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relationship: Sister-in-Law
Gender: Female
Where born: Hume, Berwickshire
Registration Number: 473
Registration district: Bothkennar
Civil parish: Bothkennar
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Newton
Occupation: House Keeper
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 105
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1891_146
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Dunn 36
Elizabeth Gardner Dunn 8
James Dunn 6
Robert Rae Dunn 1
Elizabeth Rae 29

Vivianne, is there an RCE on the birth entry relating to his paternity please? Without that it is difficult to be sure who his father was. It wasn't unusual to give an illegitimate child the father's surname as the middle name. Have you looked to see if there were any possible John Duncans in the area at the time?

It may also be worth looking at the original 1891 census on Scotlandspeople to checkout that surname change. It may have been mistranscribed.

Thnk you all so much for the help.

John's birthcertificate has:
John Duncan Rae
11 August 1884, Easter Street Duns
Mother: Elizabeth Rae
Domestic Servant
Domicil:- Gavinton, Parish of Langton. ( on an extract it looks like Laugton)
His father did not sign.
Registered 26 August by Elizabeth at Duns

Will be back tonight. Thanks again for everything.

What was Elizabeth's address at the time of her son's birth?

Possibly David in 1871.........although it's not really relevant as, to get the bloodline, you really need to find John's mother

Name: David Cockburn
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Agnes Cockburn
Gender: Male
Where born: Ladykirk, Berwickshire
Registration Number: 735
Registration district: Dunse
Civil parish: Dunse
County: Berwickshire
Address: Crumstaine
Occupation: Agricultural Labourer
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 70
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1871_174
Household Members: Name Age
Agnes Cockburn 53
David Cockburn 21
Margaret Cockburn 19
Jessie Cockburn 16
Andrew Cockburn 11

1891

Name: Rachel McMoran
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : David McMoran
Gender: Female
Where born: Earlston, Berwickshire
Registration Number: 735
Registration district: Duns
Civil parish: Duns
Town: Duns
County: Berwickshire
Address: Easter Street
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 40
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1891_376
Household Members: Name Age
David McMoran 41 b. Duns
Rachel McMoran 50
John Duncan McMoran 6 Adopted son, b. Duns
Jane Richardson 62
William Sloan 49
Isabella Prater 27
George Hadley 1 MO

Unrelated household members are Boarders