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got to a dead end again... this time I'm looking for George and Edward Sykes born c1890.

George married Mary Lunn in 1916 in Huddersfield - I found that record.

Edward died in some kind of railway accident, but I'd like to know if he ever married.

I can't find any birth records for a George and Edward, would assume they'd be on the same page of the record....

Can't find them on any census assuming they'd be on 1891, 1901 and 1911

Any help appreciated! Thanks

1916 marriage cert would be the obvious way to go.

It would at least give some idea of his age, occupation and the name & occupation of his father

Are you descended from George? do you know when he died? His death record could give useful info, in particular an age at death.

Otherwise, can you say what your connection with these people is? There's a reason you're looking for them -- related to them somehow, one assumes.

For others to try searches, you really need to give us the same info you have, whatever it is. For instance, where did the c1890 birth year come from?

GB is right, if you're starting cold, you need to start with the known: the marriage certificate.

Are you assuming that they were born in Yorkshire?

They may not have been..........place of marriage is no real indicator of place of birth.....especially during wartime

I've just checked 1901, using the decoder.....there is no household which includes a George and Edward born 1890+/- 2yrs

Who informed you that these two were actually twins?

Sorry, been doing this for less than a week, I'm not quite up to speed.

George would be my great grandad, so a direct decendant. He was one of twins. He and Mary E Lunn married in 1916 in Huddersfield and had Winifred (only child - my grandmother) in 1916.

Sorry, it's all I know at the moment...

Flick, my mum told me this. Winifred went on to have twins and called them George and Edward. I'm now wondering if she's mixed up and it's the previous generation (George's Father) I might try that route too.

Sadly, there's only my mum left to ask

You need the marriage cert..........it's the only way you will make any headway.

You seem to have the wrong surname for Winifred's mother..........IF this is her birth

Births Jun 1917 (>99%)
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Sykes Winifred Lund Huddersfield 9a 336

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But there isn't a marriage for George Sykes to LUND.

It's possible that the wife had been married before.......this was during WW1......so her name when marrying would not have been Lund..........

I think you are going to have to start from scratch on this one.............Winifred's birth cert would seem essential

Ahhhhh is this your grandmother? MMN LUND?

Births Jun 1917
Sykes Winifred Lund Huddersfield 9a 336

Christine, this is my Grandma for sure:

Name Winifred Sykes
Year of Registration 1917
Quarter of Registration Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Huddersfield
Registration County Yorkshire
Mother's maiden name Lunn
Volume Number 9A
Volume Page 336

Oh well, thanks all v much for looking. How do I go about getting a certificate?

that's the one, must be a typo!

www.gro.gov.uk

£9.25 inclusive of postage

Suzanne.....a little tip...

Even one letter can make a huge difference........it's vital to check.

The difference between Lunn and Lund could have sent you on a wild goose chase.........

She's definitely a Lunn, not a Lund, it's a typo on the records. Honestly! Unless my mother has it wrong.... I'll give her a ticking off if she has!!!!

See married my lovely grandad David Dodson:

Name David Dodson
Year of Marriage 1937
Quarter of Marriage Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Huddersfield
Registration County Yorkshire
Spouse's Surname Sykes
Volume Number 9A
Volume Page 1000

Spouse Match: David DODSON married Winifred SYKES
Name Winifred Sykes
Year of Marriage 1937
Quarter of Marriage Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Huddersfield
Registration County Yorkshire
Spouse's Surname Dodson
Volume Number 9A
Volume Page 1000

Actually, on Ancestry it comes up as Lunn and when you look at the actual page it's a bit smudged but looks more like Lunn.

The birth cert is VITAL though Suzanne.

It is Lunn. I thought the same, it's just been transcribed wrong. Annoying, but at least it's correct on some.

Winifred's birth certificate is the key to all this then? What will it give me that I don't already have? Sorry if I sound clueless but surely it just gives DOB, place and parents names, and mdn name?

The birth certificate will give you the parents' full names, and then you can find their marriage and get that certificate to find their ages and fathers' names.

If you're absolutely certain that the Sykes+Lunn marriage you have found is Winifred's parents, you can start there, but you're still missing that bit of certainty that the birth certificate provides.

There are actually a gazillion Sykes-Lunn births in Yorkshire, mainly Huddersfield, after 1911. So there was obviously more than one marriage, which might make it wise to start with the birth certificate.


edit -- your post with that census transcription intervened ... I'm one who flatly refuses to plough my way through the dense unbroken mass of pixels produced by unedited copying and pasting from records at this website. ;)

At some point I might go down the route of certificates, but currently can't afford the expense. my plan is to research as much as I can and then make that decision. One side of my family was so easy to track I did it in one evening. There were 5 generations that never moved from Slaithwaite and all the censuses fit like a dream.... if only they were all so easy! I'm pretty sure South Crosland is where the Lunns/Sykes hailed from for a few generations...

Thanks for your help tonight everyone!

Well, what we are all trying to say is:

You can follow the plan of researching as much as you can, and some day find you have researched yourself a couple of centuries into the past down a completely false trail, if you aren't lucky.

If you're satisfied with what you've found -- and if you've done the cross-checking to make sure the people you are looking at aren't otherwise accounted for, for instance in other marriages/deaths etc. -- then you feel on solid ground. It's just that many of us have had things turn out not at all as we expected them. ;)

I tried again to see what that 1901 census might be saying, but I just lose the will to live after one line, sorry.

If even the individuals are separated by a couple of spaces, even without deleting all the completely useless repetitive bumph from each one, it is at least possible to see what's there ...