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Good morning Suzanne,

Is it Frederick who 'you' are directly connected to also, or do you have a different connection to this family?

How exactly do you connect?

Dea x

Witness - you say is Mary Elizabeth Chapman !!!

Look at the 1911 I put up for you above - It includes:

MCCANN, Mary Elizabeth Daughter F 3 1908 Lancashire Pendleton ***

Looking more possible ??

Have to go - will come back to it tomorrow !!

Dea x

off to bed myself now! my head is throbbing with all this................

Thanks everyone for today, its really appreciated all that you have done for me................a fellow family hunter but a stranger to you all.

Thanks again

Suzanne

At last a break through - I think...................... Freds mother now confirmed as Elizabeth.

She defo has some connection with the done family.

Suzanne

She is confusing me too Ja....x !!

I have a marriage here for a Margaret Done to an Alfred McCann

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Marriages Jun 1901

**Done Margaret Salford 8d 290
Duxbury Sarah Hannah Salford 8d 290
JACKSON John Burgess Salford 8d 290
**McCann Alfred Salford 8d 290

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This is them on 1911:

MCCANN, Alfred Head Married M 31 1880 Coal Miner Hewer Lancashire Ashton U Lyne
MCCANN, Margaret Wife Married 9 years F 32 1879 Lancashire Oth Height
MCCANN, Margaret Daughter Single F 8 1903 Lancashire Oth Height
MCCANN, Annie Daughter Single F 7 1904 Lancashire Oth Height
MCCANN, Alice Daughter Single F 5 1906 Lancashire Mossley
MCCANN, Mary Elizabeth Daughter F 3 1908 Lancashire Pendleton
MCCANN, Alfred Son M 1 1910 Lancashire Pendleton


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Registration District:
Salford Sub District:
Pendleton Enumeration District:
37 Parish:
Pendleton

Address:
6 Colliers Bds No 2 Pendleton Salford County:
Lancashire

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Then they have other children:
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Births Mar 1913
McCann John Done Salford 8d 9

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Births Sep 1914
MCCANN Harold Done Salford 8d 80
MCCANN William Done Salford 8d 80

Then - nothing more !!! - Possible world war 1 death ???

This would seem to fit in with your family except that I can't find a marriage for
Margaret McCann to a Thomas Chapman.???

I am going to bed now so I will post this in the hope that anyone else can either follow it through or discount it.

Dea x

*** EDIT !!!!! - I think I have now discounted this possibility but I will leave it on here for now, just in case !

Dea x

Just been to a neighbours for her input and used her computer to put on the last comment. Rushed back home now................

Suzanne

I am confused now.....who are you Norma ?


jax

Quite possibly!

Just had a text from freds daughter. she has looked at his marriage certificate and confirmed that Thomas Chapman was the father and recorded as a Labourer on the certificate. He is also listed as deceased. However, one of the witnesses is called victoria, this is were she thinks she has got that name from but the other witness is Mary Elizabeth Chapman. So Victoria is definately not her Grandmothers name but she is going to contact her brother to see if he knows her name.

All the above names are possibles.................harold and mary look like they are for sure.

Could the names of 'possible' siblings for Frederick include the following:

Annie, Alice, Mary, Alfred, John, Harold + William ???

Dea x

hello,

I am back...............the frederick and renee births, marriage and deaths are all correct. Fred and Renee's daughter has confirmed these.
The only information I know for sure is that Frederick had 13 brothers and sisters. I only have the names of Clarence, Harold, Albert, May, George, Margery. As Fred has been dead since 1992 and all his siblings except Margery were older than him and also dead, I am unable to get any further information. Freds daughter doesnt have a copy of his birth certificate and thinks a long lost cousin may have it after clearing out the family home after the death of Freds mother and father..
I really appreciate all the help and trouble you are going to and realise that at the moment the info i have is very basic.
The above info is the only stuff i am definately sure of and is correct.

Suzanne

We need some more input from Suzanne here please.

Dea x

Think this might be Fredericks death. I wonder if he moved to be near one of the children? The other Frederick births that could fit this birth date were born miles away -

Name: Frederick Chapman
Birth Date: 16 May 1928
Death Registration Month/Year: Mar 1992
Age at death (estimated): 63
Registration district: Bolton
Inferred County: Lancashire, Lincolnshire
Volume: 38
Page: 96

Not much help I'm afraid but I assume this is Renee's birth and death?

Births Jun 1931
Wilson Renée Harris Salford 8d 372

Name: Renee Chapman
Birth Date: 19 Mar 1931
Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 1986
Age at death (estimated): 55
Registration district: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 39
Page: 662

That is the one Christine !!

This has become VERY muddled !! - Hope we can help!

Dea x

This looks like the marriage when Suzanne comes back -

Name: Frederick Chapman
Spouse Surname: Wilson - Renee
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1950
Registration district: Salford
Registration county (inferred): Lancashire
Volume Number: 10f
Page Number: 1256

Suzanne,

We need to go right back to what you 'actually' know and work back from there!!!

Is the Frederick Chapman + Renee Wilson the starting point?

The other info 'may' connect, but I think not. - Discard it for the moment !!!

Tell us what you really have on 'your' family and we can work from there.

Dea Xxx

Dea,

She was convinced that the GMother was called Victoria and the GFather was Thomas but like you say it seems that Victoria isnt the right name so maybe Thomas isnt either. I have spoke to his Grand daughter briefly today who thinks that she has a copy of Frederick Chapmans marriage certificate to Renee Wilson at home and will check it for Fredericks fathers name and occupation.

When i searched Frederick Chapman and his siblings on Freebmd they all came up as being born in Salford with the mothers name as Done. When I questioned her about the name she replied, 'thats the one Done bookies' is who they were.

I am stumped, struggling with both sides of this tree.

that is all the info i have to go on at the moment.

Suzanne

You have said that you talked to the grand-daughter of 'Thomas Chapman' yet above you have queried that his name was Thomas???

What do you know about him ??

Dea x

Well, I think that we can safely say that it probably wasn't ???

There is no record of her anywhere.

Could you tell us ALL the info you have please and we will see if we can help.

I have a 'possible' theory but it is impossible to find anything on the details you have given.

What connection do you think she had to the 'Bookmaker' Done's and what do you know about other members of that family?

Thanks,

Dea x

Asked the grand daughter of Thomas Chapman, she seems to think it was Victoria.