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Nah, drowning.

again.

lol

Are you still paddling???????????

In the cold light of morning it is still not clear.

I did look at the bmd for Elvin, and yes it is a Sarah Ann, but not MY Sarah Ann, and this SA was born in 1875, as per the census. So still up the creek without a paddle. lol

Thanks again for all your endeavours, I think it has thrown up more questions than answers with Emma and her husband, but there is nothing I can do about that.

Back to the drawing board.

Thanks once more.

Thanks Ann. I have drifted a bit from my original posting.

But I assume Sarah Elvin widow. is the 1911 census.

Thank you and the rest for your hard work. Much appreciated.

EDIT. Spot on Prickly, the very same.

I think MTG might be referring to this Sarah, born Islington with sister Emma?


1881 England Census
about Sarah A. Cooper
Name: Sarah A. Cooper
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Cooper
Mother's Name: Mary A. Cooper
Gender: Female
Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Mary Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 29 Campbell Road
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 36a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Cooper 32
Mary A. Cooper 27
George Cooper 13
Sarah A. Cooper 9
Emma Cooper 2


I get the feeling that no one is taking this seriously! x

The one I posted re Sarah Elvin may well be, they have the same occupation also.

Sadly, I have not been on the plonk.

She is on the 1881 and 1891 Census living at home. But then disappears.

A Sarah Elvin appears on Emma's marriage certificate to Jos. Randall.

I am wondering if that is she.

Have you been on the plonk! lol

Sarah.........is Cooper her married name

EDIT..........Its me thats been on the Plonk, just seen the fathers name.

So you are hoping she never married by 1911??

Sorry I am trying to do a few things at the same time.

Sarah Ann Cooper. b. 1873 Holloway London.

Father George Cooper General Dealer
Mother Mary Ann nee Green.

Supposing Sarah is around the same age as Emma give or take 5 years below is the only one in London area.


census - household transcription
Person: ELVIN, Sarah
Address: 77 Crondall Street Hoxton N

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Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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ELVIN, Sarah Head Widow F 36 1875 Street Hawker London Spitalfields VIEW
ELVIN, John Son M 12 1899 School London Hoxton VIEW
ELVIN, Rosie Daughter F 5 1906 London Hoxton VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1331 Reference:
RG14PN1331 RG78PN46 RD16 SD1 ED10 SN104

Registration District:
Shoreditch Sub District:
Shoreditch South Enumeration District:
10 Parish:
Shoreditch

Address:
77 Crondall Street Hoxton N County:
London



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I THINK so.

She disappears, and as her name is Sarah Cooper, it is VERY hard to track down.

This Sarah Elvin appears as the witness on Emma marriage certificate.

So really........................ clutching at straws.
lol

There are a few Sarah Elvins in London what DOB?

No, there is not.

MTG - it appears to be a male only boarding house.

1911 for Emma doesn't detail any children other than those on the census.

Is Sarah Elvin the missing sister?

The only loose cannon is lodging in Islington as above posts, me thinks this may be the blaggard.........posing as single!!

It might just be that the owner of the Lodging House was not particularly interested in whether Joseph was married or not!

Well Prickly that is curious. Joseph is living around the corner to where he was born.

So, I wonder what happened. I know Emma eventually lived in Finchley, so maybe she had the wanderlust.

Is there a Sarah Elvin and her husband living in the boarding house?

Oh thats interesting.

Is there any note of the other child that survived, please?

Will post it again just in case.........

1911 census - household transcription
Person: RANDALL, Joseph
Address: 29 Hornsey Road N

This as a Lodging House........ with many occupants...

RANDALL, Joseph Single M 33 1878 Labourer Holloway

Thank you Marie..........I forgot to add that! lol