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Hi Everyone,
Can anyone help me out of the mess I have gotten myself into?

I have my grand mother Sarah Jane Cope 1887 Wolverhampton Staffordshire married to one Edward Goodall 1889
and all of his family into the the 16th century. Big problem. When I accessed
the 1911 census this weekend I find that she could be married that Edward because he was single and living at home with his dad and step mom.

Sarah is married to an Edward Goodall though. He is not 22 though he is 47
and she is 24. Wow, what a surprise. The problem now is all that I can find of him is his birth registry. THere was an Edward born in 1964. But I don't know who he belongs to and I don't know how to change Sarah over to him.

My dad's mom was named cope. I found the registry of his birth. Both his parents died when he was a child and I certainly didn't know them. He also died young before I was interested in family trees and such. My parents divorced and we never knew his side of the family at all. I didn't even now Sarah was my grand mother until someone on gr helped me out.

Thomas Goodall (my father) 1918


Right now I have added Edward 47 yrs old as another partner to Sarah and I hope someone can help.

Optimistic.
Victoria

The first thing to do is to let people who may be able to help you have a few more facts.

Such as according to the 1911 census what is the correct Edward Goodall's (b1864) birthplace?

When and where did Sarah and Edward marry?

Have you got a copy of their marriage certificate? If you have what details are showing about Edward's father?

Obviously if your tree currently contains information about the ancestors of the wrong Edward Goodall these should be deleted. To do that you will need to start deleting with his earliest ancestors first until you get as far as Edward himself. Once that is done you can change his birth year and birthplace to the correct ones. Finally you can then delete the Edward Goodall that you added as the second partner.

Edward Goodall 1864 was born in Wolverhampton Staffordshire
I have found an Edward born then anyway and have the Birth Register

I have found a marriage between an Edward Goodall and Sarah Cope
in 1906 3q

I don't have any details on his parentage. And there are so many Edwards around.

Thanks for your time and patience

I'm hoping that the bulk of the ancestors are the same. This Edward looks like he might be and uncle or second cousin of the same family. Maybe I won't need to delete them all it that is the case?

1911 For ref?

GOODALL, Edward Head Married M 47 1864 Fitters Labourer Wolverhampton Staff VIEW
GOODALL, Sarah Jane Wife Married
5 years F 24 1887 Wolverhampton Staff VIEW
GOODALL, Auther Edward Son M 2 1909 Ellesmere Port Cheshire VIEW
GOODALL, John Son M 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911 Ellesmere Port Cheshire VIEW
WYNN, George Boarder Widower M 55 1856 Labourer Wolverhampton Staff VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
21918 Reference:
RG14PN21918 RG78PN1305 RD451 SD2 ED5 SN156

Registration District:
Wirral Sub District:
Eastham Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Ellesmere Port

Address:
81 Heathfield Road Ellesmere Port County:
Cheshire

1881 England Census
about Edward Goodhall Name: Edward Goodhall
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard Goodhall
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Goodhall
Gender: Male
Where born: W Hampton, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Wolverhampton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: No 5 East St
Education:

Employment status
Occupation: Holloware Caster (Iron)

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Goodhall 51
Elizabeth Goodhall 46
Thomas Goodhall 21
Edward Goodhall 17

If you obtain a copy of their marriage certificate that should give you details of his father. That will assist in tracking him down in earlier census records.

Marriages Sep 1906 (>99%)
COPE Sarah Jane Wolverhampton 6b 1003
GOODALL Edward Wolverhampton 6b 1003

Yes K,
It was after finding this bomb shell that I realized that I had my grand mother married to the wrong Edward and even found the one I married her to being at home with his dad.
He is closer to her age and I guess I put 2 and 2 together and got 5. Who knew she would be married to someone older than his father.

I agree with Jonesey. This Edward is also a fitter's labourer in an ironworks which ties in with 1911 but you really need the marriage cert

1901

Name: Edward Goodall
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 145
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Goodall 41
Lizzie Goodall 15
Harriet Goodall 13
Edward Goodall 37

I applied on line for a copy yesterday jonesey. I am overseas myself now so everything takes a little longer.

Thank youTania, I haven't found that before. It does say Goodhall though and I am pretty sure he is a Goodall.

I know that waiting can be very frustrating but if I were you I would hold off doing anything else with that Goodall line until the copy certificate arrives.

Hopefully the information it includes will set you back on the right track.

Good luck.

P.S. Just a bit of advice. There is and never has been a standardised spelling of names. It is quite common to see peoples surnames spelled differently in different records. It should be remembered that many people were illiterate (Even up to the beginning of the 20th century) and so relied on others to complete such things as census returns for them. If their name was spelled slightly differently on different occasions they may not have been in a position to query or correct it.

The same caution should be exercised with peoples ages. Many people did not know their true age, others for various reasons lied about their age.

I agree Jonesey. I am going to get all the information in first this time instead of jumping to conclusions. And I will check out the Goodhall connection just in case it is a misspell.
Thank you again

Just to confirm Jonesey's advice. An alternative spelling to Goodall is Goodhall. I know as both names exist in my husband's family way back.

Jill

Thankyou Jill. I certainly do need to check all the spelling out.

I have added a stack of info to you thread which y ou posted today - I was not aware you had this one on the go - really you should have added today's request to this one rather than start a new one - GR only allow one osting per family/person

anyway, it's done now and I hope the info I found for you is useful

Sorry Ann, I am new to this. I have made so many mistakes so far. I should have realised that I should add it on. I don't know where to find your information now because it would appear that they have been merged together. I did do as you suggested though and searched all trees. No luck though. Thank you for your patience. I will try to find your information.
Kamala

Kamala - on the left of this screen you will see a heading "My Thread Participation" - click there to find your other threads.

Thanks Marie, I just worked it out. I managed to find it all.

Up Date. The marriage and birth certificates arrived. I don't have it yet my sister does. Edward's father was Richard and his mother was Elizabeth. He seems to have lied on his marriage certificate because he listed himself a 36 yrs old when he was in fact 42 yrs old. Maybe because he was marring my 19 yr old grandmother. It shows his correct age in the 1911 census and also shows the truth about his age. I guess he told her once they were married.
Now I have a problem because with those parents I am only able to find Goodhall's on the census. It looks like the was filled in by the preparer because the handwriting is all the same, so it is very possibly spelt incorrectly as Jonesey mentions above. I am really having difficulty tracking his ancestry down for this reason.
Kamala

1871 census? -

GOODHALL, Richard Head M 41 1830 Staffordshire
GOODHALL, Elizabeth Wife F 36 1835 Staffordshire
GOODHALL, Richard Son M 14 1857 Staffordshire
GOODHALL, Thomas Son M 11 1860 Staffordshire
GOODHALL, Edward Son M 7 1864 Staffordshire
GOODHALL, Alice Daughter F 4 1867 Staffordshire

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
2939 Folio:
124 Page:
19

Registration District:
Wolverhampton Sub District:
Wolverhampton, East Enumeration District:
29 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Wolverhampton Municipal Borough:
Wolverhampton Address:
East Street, Wolverhampton County:
Staffordshire